FDX - Communications from the NC
01-30-2009, 12:11 PM
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Great White North
Posts: 391
Cuj, making Pahrump this year?
p.s. AA, yes indeed
...I have vacation but I might have to stay there and get a job
01-30-2009, 04:23 PM
#106
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Gear Monkey
Posts: 3,199
This is the part I don't get. The union put forth a very good proposal to mitigate the over-manning, which was a win-win proposal. The company shot it down cold....
...I can understand why they would not be willing to address early retirements, but the rest was very good....
Clearly there must be something, we are not privy to, going on.
...I can understand why they would not be willing to address early retirements, but the rest was very good....
Clearly there must be something, we are not privy to, going on.
Please explain why the company isn't willing to/shouldn't consider early retirements?
Not all senior pilots have lossed a bundle in the market (...thought many have) and some have other plans for life after FEDEX. Is it the majority? No way. But there are some out there. And a offer with an expiration date, may be a once in career opportunity they can't pass up ---- yes, even in bad times.
In the past 2 weeks, I've heard at least 5 senior pilots in a variety of settings say "make us an offer and we'll consider it".
If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but why is this tool not being pursued as a long term solution that doesn't require rehire and retraining on the backend.
Last edited by DLax85; 01-30-2009 at 04:26 PM. Reason: verbiage added/clarity
01-30-2009, 04:51 PM
#107
Proponent of Hysteria
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 3B
Posts: 1,052
How about this for some thread drift: just saw this on the Majors forum about SWA's brand new TA:
"Straight from the company website...
Fellow pilots,
Last night SWAPA agreed in principle on a new five year contract with the Company through August 31, 2011. This new contract includes the following: stronger scope language as well as codeshare restrictions not previously released including no domestic codeshare, increase in pay rates including retroactive pay, increase in 401K match, improved disability program and streamlined/improved scheduling and work rule language. Additionally we have retained the Lance Captain program and ELITT albeit with changes to current language. Our Negotiating Committee (NC) is continuing to negotiate final language and when that work is completed will present a Tentative Agreement to the BoD for approval. If the BoD approves the new contract it will be sent to the membership for final ratification. I anticipate a BoD meeting in late February or early March to review the TA. Please review my January 15, 2009 Reporting Point Article for a timeline for the ratification process.
I realize every one of you is anxious to know the details of our new contract. However, our NC has much work to do in the next few weeks finalizing language. Once the BoD approves the TA, an in depth executive summary will be released and placed in your Company mailbox along with complete contract language on the SWAPA website. Additional education and communication efforts will also be underway and will be highlighted for the membership. Please refer to the SWAPA website for the most up to date information.
In closing, I want to thank our NC for their hard work through this arduous process. Their dedication to our pilot group has been outstanding. While this process has been unusually long, it has been productive for our pilot group. Your patience and support through this process is to be commended and will be required for a little longer while we conclude the process. Once again, please refer to the SWAPA website for the most current information."
I added the bold since the concept of an in depth executive summary was hotly debated when we were going through our last round of negotiations. Maybe we can learn something from the other guys here, seeing as so much of the hidden money and gems in our current contract seem to be very difficult to find.
Perhaps some commentary and explanations would help us make a better decision on our next TA and contract. I think that it would be better to have both a summary and explanation document to review in addition to the actual contract language.
Sounds like SWAPA did a pretty nice job negotiating this TA with wage increases and even retro pay. Maybe ALPA could get some help from these guys, who also helped bring about the age change (which I was totally against, but that is neither here nor there). They must have a pretty good NC.
"Straight from the company website...
Fellow pilots,
Last night SWAPA agreed in principle on a new five year contract with the Company through August 31, 2011. This new contract includes the following: stronger scope language as well as codeshare restrictions not previously released including no domestic codeshare, increase in pay rates including retroactive pay, increase in 401K match, improved disability program and streamlined/improved scheduling and work rule language. Additionally we have retained the Lance Captain program and ELITT albeit with changes to current language. Our Negotiating Committee (NC) is continuing to negotiate final language and when that work is completed will present a Tentative Agreement to the BoD for approval. If the BoD approves the new contract it will be sent to the membership for final ratification. I anticipate a BoD meeting in late February or early March to review the TA. Please review my January 15, 2009 Reporting Point Article for a timeline for the ratification process.
I realize every one of you is anxious to know the details of our new contract. However, our NC has much work to do in the next few weeks finalizing language. Once the BoD approves the TA, an in depth executive summary will be released and placed in your Company mailbox along with complete contract language on the SWAPA website. Additional education and communication efforts will also be underway and will be highlighted for the membership. Please refer to the SWAPA website for the most up to date information.
In closing, I want to thank our NC for their hard work through this arduous process. Their dedication to our pilot group has been outstanding. While this process has been unusually long, it has been productive for our pilot group. Your patience and support through this process is to be commended and will be required for a little longer while we conclude the process. Once again, please refer to the SWAPA website for the most current information."
I added the bold since the concept of an in depth executive summary was hotly debated when we were going through our last round of negotiations. Maybe we can learn something from the other guys here, seeing as so much of the hidden money and gems in our current contract seem to be very difficult to find.
Perhaps some commentary and explanations would help us make a better decision on our next TA and contract. I think that it would be better to have both a summary and explanation document to review in addition to the actual contract language.
Sounds like SWAPA did a pretty nice job negotiating this TA with wage increases and even retro pay. Maybe ALPA could get some help from these guys, who also helped bring about the age change (which I was totally against, but that is neither here nor there). They must have a pretty good NC.
01-30-2009, 08:19 PM
#108
Slainge Var'
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Zeppelin Tail Gunner
Posts: 1,530
[quote=Cujo;548780p.s. AA, yes indeed ...I have vacation but I might have to stay there and get a job[/quote]
Heidi Fleiss is lookin' for some good men for her new, men only brothel, and I ain't talking about the customers.
...I have vacation but I might have to stay there and get a job[/quote]Heidi Fleiss is lookin' for some good men for her new, men only brothel, and I ain't talking about the customers.
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