UPS- Dest Alt for ANC
01-23-2009, 07:02 AM
#12
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It's all fun and games until you take out a runway light (which they will jail you for in Almaty), and then everybody else in the company involved in sending you there turns on their heel and starts whistling a tune.
01-23-2009, 07:07 AM
#13
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King Salmon works fine as an alternate. Been there, max landing weight landing RWY12. Enough turn around room at the south end for MD11. Parking on the SE ramp (watch the light poles at the edge). The airport manager will loan you chocks!
Full fire fighting equipment(old USAF alert station). No customs but OK if coming up from lower 48. Hotel OK, one horse town in winter....
Full fire fighting equipment(old USAF alert station). No customs but OK if coming up from lower 48. Hotel OK, one horse town in winter....But it doesn't matter as far as everybody else is concerned, as it's a "legal" alternate. The "suitable" thing will be parsed into a million pieces at the hearing should anything not work out.
01-23-2009, 02:21 PM
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Just looked online at an NOS chart dated March '09, and landing Rwy 12, Taxiway E is about 2/3 the way down, which translated to about 5,900 feet. Assuming one touches down right at the 1,000' mark that isn't too much wiggle room, hence you're down to the end making a 180 right at the published limits of the airplane or getting pushed back to what the NOS chart shows as Taxiway E. Taxiway D is off Rwy 18. Once again, like so much in this business it's legal, but potentially lame...for us if anything goes wrong.
01-23-2009, 08:22 PM
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Correction, turnoff P.
Bob, do you agree if it is unsuitable/unsafe as you describe that it would be best to remove it from the OPSPECS? If it isn't removed I can assure you PAKN will be used in the future if it comes down to payload being left behind, or diverting a plane to Shemya, or turning back to Asia (ref 121.631b). The whole thing might as well have been written on a Magic Slate. We both know how quickly these policies disappear when it comes time for a manager to put their name on on the report to Atlanta. I would have personally addressed this and a few other theater-specific issues with the ANC CP the last time I was in town, but the office was empty. Strangely enough the only pilot (other than my crew) that I said hi to was you
Bob, do you agree if it is unsuitable/unsafe as you describe that it would be best to remove it from the OPSPECS? If it isn't removed I can assure you PAKN will be used in the future if it comes down to payload being left behind, or diverting a plane to Shemya, or turning back to Asia (ref 121.631b). The whole thing might as well have been written on a Magic Slate. We both know how quickly these policies disappear when it comes time for a manager to put their name on on the report to Atlanta. I would have personally addressed this and a few other theater-specific issues with the ANC CP the last time I was in town, but the office was empty. Strangely enough the only pilot (other than my crew) that I said hi to was you
01-24-2009, 07:15 AM
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Correction, turnoff P.
Bob, do you agree if it is unsuitable/unsafe as you describe that it would be best to remove it from the OPSPECS? If it isn't removed I can assure you PAKN will be used in the future if it comes down to payload being left behind, or diverting a plane to Shemya, or turning back to Asia (ref 121.631b). The whole thing might as well have been written on a Magic Slate. We both know how quickly these policies disappear when it comes time for a manager to put their name on on the report to Atlanta. I would have personally addressed this and a few other theater-specific issues with the ANC CP the last time I was in town, but the office was empty. Strangely enough the only pilot (other than my crew) that I said hi to was you
Bob, do you agree if it is unsuitable/unsafe as you describe that it would be best to remove it from the OPSPECS? If it isn't removed I can assure you PAKN will be used in the future if it comes down to payload being left behind, or diverting a plane to Shemya, or turning back to Asia (ref 121.631b). The whole thing might as well have been written on a Magic Slate. We both know how quickly these policies disappear when it comes time for a manager to put their name on on the report to Atlanta. I would have personally addressed this and a few other theater-specific issues with the ANC CP the last time I was in town, but the office was empty. Strangely enough the only pilot (other than my crew) that I said hi to was you
Sorry I missed you, I must have been in yet another UPS induced jetlagged stupor. If the wind doesn't necessitate landing on 12, it's not a player at all. Since, like AED can often be a paper alternate when WX is marginal (which has always cracked me up) AKN will continue to be "legal" for use, much like some our ETP alternates, never mind the alternates for L888 diversions.
It would be prudent however for everybody in the game each day look at the forecast, and if the wind is howling from the south, think about alternative alternates
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