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Old 01-26-2009, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FXDX
Meanwhile, a line slug at FedEx with 25 years and a decent high 5 can retire with $130K per year, and yet the rocket scientists here don't want to take it. Many ask why won't the company offer early retirements to reduce overmanning. Sorry, but why should they? We (ALPA) fought for the age change to let guys work longer and now we're going to ask to let guys retire early so we can reduce overmanning? We shot ourselves in the foot and now have to live with it. Thanks again Dave.
So I guess you're into cutting off your nose to spite your face, or to put it another way, two wrongs don't make a right. Seems to me that the early retirement option that the union has offered to the company primarily designed to allow the junior guys, who are the most at-risk, to be able to stay on the property. Yes, there is some benefit to those who would take the early retirement option, but, it's not the main reason it's being offered to the company. The Age change was, imho, the right thing to do, and now with the current situation, so is an early-out option.

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Old 01-26-2009, 11:36 AM
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No. I am simply saying that it is hypocritical to argue for an early retirement when we have demonstrated by our actions that we don't want to retire even at the normal age. In addition, I am saying that I can understand why the company doesn't want to entertain this particular means to reduce the current, alleged overmanned condition we "enjoy". And for much of that we can thank DW and our good buddy Prater. We lobbied to change the law, and it has hurt the junior members of the organization, and will continue to for many, many years. Asking now to let some retire early while others fly until they die is unrealistic.

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Old 01-26-2009, 02:02 PM
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I see, so for you, solving the problem takes a back seat to being able to b!tch about it. Fair enough. As I see it, the first "issue", that of the Age 65 rule change, took place prior to the second "issue", that of the "F" word, and although one does effect the other, they are/were separate issues. Seems to me that any solution to one will help the other. The union is not "asking" to let some retire so that others can "fly until they die", they are trying to not only help the junior guys stay on the property, but also to entice the older/super-senior guys to leave, thereby enhancing everyone else's seniority and therefore quality of life.

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Old 01-26-2009, 02:46 PM
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No. I am simply saying that it is hypocritical to argue for an early retirement when we have demonstrated by our actions that we don't want to retire even at the normal age. .
That kind of stuff happens all the time. Must be flexible to work in management.
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:58 PM
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I see, so for you, solving the problem takes a back seat to being able to b!tch about it. Fair enough. As I see it, the first "issue", that of the Age 65 rule change, took place prior to the second "issue", that of the "F" word, and although one does effect the other, they are/were separate issues. Seems to me that any solution to one will help the other. The union is not "asking" to let some retire so that others can "fly until they die", they are trying to not only help the junior guys stay on the property, but also to entice the older/super-senior guys to leave, thereby enhancing everyone else's seniority and therefore quality of life.

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JJ: You just can't let go of the age change. Fine. I am simply stating my opinion that for us (ALPA) to expect that the company might consider an early retirement incentive for members of the organization partly responsible for the current overmanning situation is not realistic.

Can we ask? Sure. Why not. But to expect it, well might as well pray to the Easter Bunny too.

Looking for ways to mitigate some of the damage done by the age change, after lobbying for it, is simply closing the barn door after the horses have run free.
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Old 03-06-2009, 03:51 PM
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Pulled the trigger, PLoA begins next month for 12, maybe more. God-Speed all.

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Good luck Horrible, I hope there is a brighter future around here when you decide to come back.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:23 AM
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Pulled the trigger, PLoA begins next month for 12, maybe more. God-Speed all.

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Good luck Horrible...might be quite a few of us joining you on that ploa or mloa....if no one else says it....well done on keeping your options open.

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