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Old 01-09-2009, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
A more accurate estimate would be 1990, somewhere in the April or May timeframe.

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Gotta be April. I'm 14May90, and he was 2 classes or so before me.
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Old 01-10-2009, 02:28 AM
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Thanks. Just wondered what my seniority would buy at a different company. 01/1994
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:54 AM
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This whole idea of any furlough is pure smoke and mirrors. This situation is nothing more than the company using the guise of a global economic crisis, which of course is a reality, but not one that has cause any executive to stop drinking the 18 year old scotch and start tapping the 10 year old variety. The company lawyers have seen the weakly worded contract and have placed their bet that a grievance, if lost, is worth it. These grievances will take 18 months to get a hearing. In the meantime, with the stroke a pen, the company has reduced our pay buy 20%.

As was asked in a fast read this week, "who's side are you on?"

The new pay scale as of Feb '09 could be around for a few years. Until the company gets to a point where it needs to hire, it will say it still may need to furlough.
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Old 01-10-2009, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Popeye
The new pay scale as of Feb '09 could be around for a few years. Until the company gets to a point where it needs to hire, it will say it still may need to furlough.
There isn't a new pay scale (except for Reserve and the others who's pay is tied to the RLG). The company is not going to leave freight sitting behind. Historically, we have been undermanned and fighting to get lines that had more than just the minimum days off. The BLG will go way up before they ever consider hiring again. The upshot of all this is that when the economy improves, we will be very lean for a long time. At that point we can all ***** about not being able to drop trips because of "Insufficient Reserves."

This sucks, but the company wasn't making extra money by cutting BLG to 68/85. They aren't parking airplanes because they just don't feel like flying them.
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This sucks, but the company wasn't making extra money by cutting BLG to 68/85...
The company wasn't? Then who go the 4-5 hrs of pay, from our historical BLG average, that I used to get?
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[quote=MX727;534892]At that point we can all ***** about not being able to drop trips because of "Insufficient Reserves."quote]

The best part of this is that I can ***** about not being able to drop a trip because of "Insufficient Reserves", while simultaneously being threatened by a furlough. All at the same time- Gotta love it!!!
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Old 01-10-2009, 07:52 AM
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Thanks. Just wondered what my seniority would buy at a different company. 01/1994
It would buy you the highest pay scale at FedEx, 15 year wide body captain. (A-300, MD-11 and yes Gertrude, the 777F) Most junior was hired in summer 98.
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At that point we can all complain about not being able to drop trips because of "Insufficient Reserves."
It's a new world order right now. No open time and can't move R days.
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Old 01-10-2009, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DaRaiders
Unlike 4.A.2.b, Section 23 is very specific in its wording:

Except as provided in Section 23.A.1.b. and A.2., if the Company determines it is necessary to reduce the number of active pilots, the Company shall furlough pilots in reverse order of system seniority as listed on the Master Seniority List.
Very important sentence. In December of 1998, before the last contract, FS threatened to "fire" anyone flying international regardless of seniority to create what was called then "FedEx-lite"...a purely domestic operation.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:17 PM
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Years ago I told my wife to stop looking at the pay scale page in the contract. She got herself all worked up because we were getting a $$ pay raise the following month. I told her the contract could say I would earn a Million dollars an hour on one page, and somewhere else, state that under no circumstance could I ever earn more than 1/10 CH per year.

Based upon this simple stroke of the company's pen, it turns out I was not that far off. When you break out of the fog and see what is happening, you will see that our pay scales were dramatically altered this past week or so. If we continue to quibble over ridiculous details that do nothing but obscure the reality of what is happening, our section 6 openers in 2010 (or more likely 2012) will be for not too many concessions on our part, in exchange for the contract as it existed in December 2008.

And I'll reiterate WR's question for those that still don't get it. "Who's side are you on?

I have a question for the bloggers, which do you expect first:

1. An excess bid in 2009

2. An SEC announcement regarding FDX Executive bonuses and stock options.
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