FDX-Deviation ground transpo.
01-05-2009, 08:26 AM
#11
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I spoke to DT in contract enforcement and he said rental cars are not an approved expense - I think it has to do with liability issues, insurance, etc.
These deviation loopholes need to be addressed in the next contract!! If this stuff is important to you, please forward your input to JG and the NC!!! If they don't get any input requesting to fill these potholes, they won't.
These deviation loopholes need to be addressed in the next contract!! If this stuff is important to you, please forward your input to JG and the NC!!! If they don't get any input requesting to fill these potholes, they won't.
Ironic, though, that you CAN expense, say, a $100 limo ride - no problem. But, try to rent a car w/gas for $50 for the same trip, and the answer is NO?
Also - did you know that during ITU you are authorized reimbursement for driving your OWN CAR to/from training - and getting reimbursed for mileage?
How could the liability be any more in a rental than in a limo or taxi or your own privately owned car - a car crash is a car crash?
and, who actually decides "no" on the rental car reimbursement since the contract doesn't prohibit it? (just wondering on that)
strange
thanks for the input - I'll pass it on.
01-05-2009, 11:04 AM
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Thread creep, but my personal favorite...
You're weather delayed/canceled at a hub and have to spend the night. Can you expense a room at the FedEx hotel at the hotel rate? No! You can only expense hotels where your trip starts/ends. So instead of being able to expense an $80 hotel room, you CAN book the red eye and fly DEN-LAX-ORD-Destination, and get first class for $2,300. Or the 1st class sleeper train. That's allowed, but not the cheap hotel.
You're weather delayed/canceled at a hub and have to spend the night. Can you expense a room at the FedEx hotel at the hotel rate? No! You can only expense hotels where your trip starts/ends. So instead of being able to expense an $80 hotel room, you CAN book the red eye and fly DEN-LAX-ORD-Destination, and get first class for $2,300. Or the 1st class sleeper train. That's allowed, but not the cheap hotel.
01-05-2009, 04:35 PM
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Thread creep, but my personal favorite...
You're weather delayed/canceled at a hub and have to spend the night. Can you expense a room at the FedEx hotel at the hotel rate? No! You can only expense hotels where your trip starts/ends. So instead of being able to expense an $80 hotel room, you CAN book the red eye and fly DEN-LAX-ORD-Destination, and get first class for $2,300. Or the 1st class sleeper train. That's allowed, but not the cheap hotel.
You're weather delayed/canceled at a hub and have to spend the night. Can you expense a room at the FedEx hotel at the hotel rate? No! You can only expense hotels where your trip starts/ends. So instead of being able to expense an $80 hotel room, you CAN book the red eye and fly DEN-LAX-ORD-Destination, and get first class for $2,300. Or the 1st class sleeper train. That's allowed, but not the cheap hotel.
5. Substitution Assignment Parameters
A pilot eligible for substitution may be assigned a substitution trip(s) or standby assignment(s) in accordance with the following:
....
c. For a substitution assignment window of 72 hours or less, any assignment
shall be sequential or any unassigned periods during this window are
eligible to be claimed for reimbursement for a hotel room (not to exceed the
base hotel contract rate).
01-05-2009, 05:06 PM
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Enroute delay
Thread creep, but my personal favorite...
You're weather delayed/canceled at a hub and have to spend the night. Can you expense a room at the FedEx hotel at the hotel rate? No! You can only expense hotels where your trip starts/ends. So instead of being able to expense an $80 hotel room, you CAN book the red eye and fly DEN-LAX-ORD-Destination, and get first class for $2,300. Or the 1st class sleeper train. That's allowed, but not the cheap hotel.
You're weather delayed/canceled at a hub and have to spend the night. Can you expense a room at the FedEx hotel at the hotel rate? No! You can only expense hotels where your trip starts/ends. So instead of being able to expense an $80 hotel room, you CAN book the red eye and fly DEN-LAX-ORD-Destination, and get first class for $2,300. Or the 1st class sleeper train. That's allowed, but not the cheap hotel.
01-05-2009, 05:16 PM
#17
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As far as the rental car thing, it actually is prohibited by the contract and not just by common practice of the auditors. Section 8.c.4.c says "All deviation travel must be on a commercial carrier, except as specifically authorized otherwise in this Section".
Learned that one the hard way.
Learned that one the hard way.
01-05-2009, 05:25 PM
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Tried referencing that. They still said "No, Hotels are only allowed to be expensed at the scheduled layover city." The 24 hour "in-transit" rule lets you 'visit' a stop for 24 hours, but it doesn't pay for the stop.
01-06-2009, 12:48 AM
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International Trip - hotels are authorized as deviation expense. The hotel you use can be in the US or wherever (any city, even the scheduled layover city) - just have to be on an "international" trip.
CBA Section 8.C.3.d. Hotel
01-06-2009, 12:51 AM
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As far as the rental car thing, it actually is prohibited by the contract and not just by common practice of the auditors. Section 8.c.4.c says "All deviation travel must be on a commercial carrier, except as specifically authorized otherwise in this Section".
Learned that one the hard way.
Learned that one the hard way.
just splitting hairs - I haven't ever heard of anyone getting reimbursed for rental cars except for during ITU training out of domicile.
anyway.......
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