UPS Rumor: DC-8s to the boneyard after Bid 9-02
01-05-2009, 07:46 AM
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So the company is going to park an entire fleet. Furlough 75% of the first officers in ANC, displace, train, and move 200 more F/Os up to ANC, then downgrade, transition 200 Capts. to result in another year's worth of training events, just so they can do it all over again in 2 years.
It would be more cost effective to buy Ford Motor Company and have them build package cars.
The company has announced the DC-8s are on a retirement schedule to start this year and conclude in 2013...hence the 767 order. I have not seen any other company announcements.
Maybe instead of this distraction, we should worry about some of the more important problems we have in the cockpits these days...
FF
It would be more cost effective to buy Ford Motor Company and have them build package cars.
The company has announced the DC-8s are on a retirement schedule to start this year and conclude in 2013...hence the 767 order. I have not seen any other company announcements.
Maybe instead of this distraction, we should worry about some of the more important problems we have in the cockpits these days...
FF
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01-05-2009, 08:23 AM
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Last September, UPS stopped doing annual checks on the DC8.
In March (PP3), the DC8 has about 1150 hours of line credit. That equates to about 16 normal lines.
The current projected manning for the DC8 is 119 CPT, 115 FO, and 146 FE when training is complete.
Something will change, as these numbers will not continue...
01-05-2009, 09:37 AM
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Well, at least we have everyones story different!
UPS maintenance page shows 28 8's for the year, Roberto says all parked by Sept at current non inspection, Others say 9 parked, others still say the 9 are all that will remain. Somehow 9 is a magic number <g>
IMO, UPS is tinkering to have a smooth phaseout. Nothing more, nothing less. Doubt they have a fixed target just yet and are feverishly running different scenarios.
We will have an 8 displacement soon(easy call, no brains required to make that call)
Other than that, will stick with the smooth, steady transition of 8's being parked. Glad we are training new crews over the next few months.
UPS maintenance page shows 28 8's for the year, Roberto says all parked by Sept at current non inspection, Others say 9 parked, others still say the 9 are all that will remain. Somehow 9 is a magic number <g>
IMO, UPS is tinkering to have a smooth phaseout. Nothing more, nothing less. Doubt they have a fixed target just yet and are feverishly running different scenarios.
We will have an 8 displacement soon(easy call, no brains required to make that call)
Other than that, will stick with the smooth, steady transition of 8's being parked. Glad we are training new crews over the next few months.
01-05-2009, 12:12 PM
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... Fed Ex on the other hand has had rapid growth in the last 10 years, partly brought on by the postal contract, and is getting rid of a considerable number of 727s and DC-10s, UPS's numbers on 3 seaters doesn't come close to them. For them furlough and downgrades are inevitable in this economy...
As far as our future contracts and furlough mitigation ideas I like the idea Salty had about a Mutual Aid style IPA Furlough Fund...
01-05-2009, 12:18 PM
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01-05-2009, 02:07 PM
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They'll have the right to displace anyone junior to them. Everything will roll downhill and ultimetily affect the most junior pilots in ANC. That's assuming that pilots are willing to commute to ANC. I think we know the answer to that 1. With the economy, 401k and home values what they are, I would not expect many pilots take a "buyout". After 15+ years at UPS, I wouldn't bet on any buyouts. They don't have golden parachutes!
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