Rottweiler

Personally, I don't understand why a generation of pilots who all hate this company and their jobs are staying past 60. Even though the stock market is down, most of these guys were in bonds and are not is as bad of shape as the rest of us.

Pension plus a 10% distribution from the 401K and these guys could be living on close to $200K per year. Considering that their W2's are about $275, they are actually working for $75k a year. Not enough to keep me coming to work, especially if I was 60+.

If we cut line guarantees, some of these old timers may not hang around committed to the company making $180K per year when they could retire and fish every day making $200k per year in retirement. (plus actually ENJOY the life they've earned).

(Disclaimer - I'm NOT a bottom guy, but I think the pain should be shared by all. Unity when times are tough will pay dividends when times are good.)

Guarantee reduction may be a good way to clean house and rid the company of the over 60 rats.

Thanks again for the increase in disability premiums! Another way your windfall is my burden.

Rott

Rottweiler

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Oh - I guess I missed the displacement bid then every time someone retired, IAW the contract.

Rott

CactusCrew

I think there is a problem with the Purple deal. Hopefully one of them can chime in.

But the problem is that it lowers guarantee but does NOT lower the line build and/or line credit cap. Isn't that right purple ?

If that is the case, the company keeps building lines to 75-80 or whatever they want, but just builds FEWER of them. Those that don't get a line, reserve and/or VTO would now be worth the lower guarantee.

I'm just saying check the facts about the FedEx deal, I don't know enough about it.

And be careful what you wish for !

Roberto

It would be the fairest way for everyone to help, IMO, and probably the only way to avert a furlough if UPS were bound and determined to do it. It would require, of course, UPS/IPA and membership ratification. There should be some conditions, such as:

A line cap fairly close to guarantee.
A prohibition of open time pickup.
A prohibition of trip trades that result in a credit increase greater than 3-5 hours.

Spreading the extra crews around the other fleets by increasing their manning, thus enabling the lines to be built with reduced flying to match the reduced guarantee.

For instance, a furlough of say 300 would be preceded by a round of displacements where hundreds lose status, hundreds are forced to ANC, and a couple hundred ANC FO's go to FE, and furlough. This is a big pill for UPS to swallow, so hopefully it won't happen.

As an alternative, if the only option for us to keep everyone on board is for all of us to work less, then I'd be for spreading those 300 extra bodies across all the fleets. These extra bodies would enable UPS to write lines that work less, and would be matched with a commensurate lowering of guarantee. Less work, less pay, is not that bad of a deal, for a lot of us.

1800 RVR

But, you know that UPS would not change the reserve lines. We would be working the exact same amount today as under that plan. And, even if we came up with an agreement with them, who says that they would follow it? They don't even follow our contract now!

757upspilot

Now these are the real numbers.

20 years , 3k per year of service, 60k before reduction for survivor benefit for spouse.
Maybe , 1 million in B fund but not likely.
Rate of return on b fund about 3% maybe = to 30k

Less than 90k a year before they pay for insurance which is about 1k a month.

757upspilot

This would have to go to a vote of the membership and given the attitude of you post and that expessed by others the chance of it passing is nonexistant.

Commando

Wrong! Please show me where it says P3's get the bunks. I'll help you out, NO WHERE.

It does say that a P3 cannot sit in the Cockpit. That's it. P3's DO NOT have priority for the bunks from the company or IPA.

And 99% of the time the 3's have had huge rest while the 7 just came in from 14 duty from China.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

I thought P3 going to/from ANC were entitled to business class seat if commercial'ed? If so, wouldn't the bunk bed replace the business seat?

Commando

If one has a Comm. Ticket with a Block over 5 hours, that person is entitled to a business class seat.

But these are two different subjects. When one is on a P3, this person is not Commercialing. He's on a company Deadhead. And the FOM only states a P3 will not be forced to sit in the cockpit seat.

I'm not saying a P7 shouldn't ask, but a P3 does not have any written priority.