UPS Rumor: DC-8s to the boneyard after Bid 9-02
01-04-2009, 12:05 PM
#41
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The Captain needs set the ground rules on this, he either did not care or was probably a manager. Being more "experienced" does not mean anything with regard to who gets the bunk. If he only had a couple hours of time on the ground in ANC, too bad and poor planning on his part, these guys make me sick.
01-04-2009, 12:08 PM
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Salty and everyone else - what do y'all think of the FDX contractual option of lowering everyone's guarantee IF that's the ONLY way to prevent a furlough?
I think that might be a great way of sticking up for the junior guys/gals on property - what do you all think?
I think that might be a great way of sticking up for the junior guys/gals on property - what do you all think?
01-04-2009, 12:36 PM
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Second hand information (rumor):
Spoke with a Manager "buddy" of mine the other day who is on the 8. He
told me he was just informed all the 8's would be gone after the bid
09-02. Displacement bid out shortly and there will be a buyout offered
to relieve the overmanning. The company is doing everything possible
to avoid any furloughs.
Discuss....
Roberto how does this affect our "experienced" pilots that haven't upgraded yet?
Flame on.
Spoke with a Manager "buddy" of mine the other day who is on the 8. He
told me he was just informed all the 8's would be gone after the bid
09-02. Displacement bid out shortly and there will be a buyout offered
to relieve the overmanning. The company is doing everything possible
to avoid any furloughs.
Discuss....
Roberto how does this affect our "experienced" pilots that haven't upgraded yet?
Flame on.
01-04-2009, 12:45 PM
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Salty and everyone else - what do y'all think of the FDX contractual option of lowering everyone's guarantee IF that's the ONLY way to prevent a furlough?
I think that might be a great way of sticking up for the junior guys/gals on property - what do you all think?
I think that might be a great way of sticking up for the junior guys/gals on property - what do you all think?
01-04-2009, 12:46 PM
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However, for the sake of the discussion - IF we were losing money AND IF this was the only way to avert a furlough - I think it'd be fair if all of us shared the pain rather than just the bottom guys (disclaimer, I'm one of the bottom guys).
At the very least I'd want all over 60 pilots' guarantee to be lowered somewhat (sorry Roberto) simply because that would be the fair thing to do... (we could call it Fair Pilot Act part deux
).Not trying to stir up another over 60 argument, I really am not. However, let's face it - those pilots are now making extra money that they knew wouldn't be there when they got hired at UPS. It's basically "extra" retirement money for them... So, IF, I repeat IF it ever came to a furlough I'd want them to share the pain with junior guys being laid off - in my view the FDX provision does just that..
Please discuss without hateful flaming...
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01-04-2009, 01:07 PM
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You're missing the point - I do agree that we are making billions and I think we will be just fine.
However, for the sake of the discussion - IF we were losing money AND IF this was the only way to avert a furlough - I think it'd be fair if all of us shared the pain rather than just the bottom guys (disclaimer, I'm one of the bottom guys).
At the very least I'd want all over 60 pilots' guarantee to be lowered somewhat (sorry Roberto) simply because that would be the fair thing to do... (we could call it Fair Pilot Act part deux).
Not trying to stir up another over 60 argument, I really am not. However, let's face it - those pilots are now making extra money that they knew wouldn't be there when they got hired at UPS. It's basically "extra" retirement money for them... So, IF, I repeat IF it ever came to a furlough I'd want them to share the pain on junior guy's being laid off - in my view the FDX provision does just that..
Please discuss without hateful flaming...
However, for the sake of the discussion - IF we were losing money AND IF this was the only way to avert a furlough - I think it'd be fair if all of us shared the pain rather than just the bottom guys (disclaimer, I'm one of the bottom guys).
At the very least I'd want all over 60 pilots' guarantee to be lowered somewhat (sorry Roberto) simply because that would be the fair thing to do... (we could call it Fair Pilot Act part deux
).Not trying to stir up another over 60 argument, I really am not. However, let's face it - those pilots are now making extra money that they knew wouldn't be there when they got hired at UPS. It's basically "extra" retirement money for them... So, IF, I repeat IF it ever came to a furlough I'd want them to share the pain on junior guy's being laid off - in my view the FDX provision does just that..
Please discuss without hateful flaming...
01-04-2009, 01:13 PM
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Vacancies
[quote=Roberto;530564]Cannot happen. Vacancies must be posted.
Except when a pilot turned 60 (prior to December 2007), then that person could go to an already overmanned engineer seat without vacancies posted, right?
Rott
Except when a pilot turned 60 (prior to December 2007), then that person could go to an already overmanned engineer seat without vacancies posted, right?
Rott
01-04-2009, 01:18 PM
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[quote=Rottweiler;530642]The contract states he could displace IAW seniority. UPS could have furloughed junior engineers, but accepted the overmanning.
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