FDX -- When will the MEC and NC grow a PAIR?
01-03-2009, 10:08 AM
#31
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It appears the "real" F/O called in sick in the field after his D/H to LAX. Scheduling probably said we need someone that can fly as a F/O in the next couple of hours and picked this flex instructor that lives there. I'll bet the guy got called and asked if he could be at the airport right away to fly one leg and D/H home. The trip would've been built with a front D/H for pay purposes. It's happens occasionally but normally the guy drafted is actually on the seniority list for that seat.
I think it's wrong to "draft" someone that's not on the seniority list for that seat but I obviously don't have a say in these matters. FWIW.
I think it's wrong to "draft" someone that's not on the seniority list for that seat but I obviously don't have a say in these matters. FWIW.
01-03-2009, 10:11 AM
#32
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It appears the "real" F/O called in sick in the field after his D/H to LAX. Scheduling probably said we need someone that can fly as a F/O in the next couple of hours and picked this flex instructor that lives there. I'll bet the guy got called and asked if he could be at the airport right away to fly one leg and D/H home. The trip would've been built with a front D/H for pay purposes. It's happens occasionally but normally the guy drafted is actually on the seniority list for that seat.
I think it's wrong to "draft" someone that's not on the seniority list for that seat but I obviously don't have a say in these matters. FWIW.
I think it's wrong to "draft" someone that's not on the seniority list for that seat but I obviously don't have a say in these matters. FWIW.
Just another example of them not following the contract.
01-03-2009, 10:18 AM
#33
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This is why I was saying...NO extra flying, NO draft, take your max vacation and most importantly if you bid carryover PROTECT MIN DAYS! This is the biggest factor, IMO, to increasing the manning numbers and reduce the number of potential furloughs.
If you are NOT protecting min days the following month, and essentially flying extra, you are doing more harm than good and telling the company we need one less pilot.
If you are NOT protecting min days the following month, and essentially flying extra, you are doing more harm than good and telling the company we need one less pilot.
What I don't understand is why the MEC cannot come out with a statement like
"To help the company, and pilots evenly distribute the hours of pay to be sacrificed, I encourage everyone not to waive min day protection, and use vacation to the fullest."
And don't give me any illegal job action bull$hit, because the company needs this also to help mitigate a furlough. Why do I believe this can't be construed as an illegal job action? Because the company NEEDS a reduction in hours!! If the MEC choses not to do this they don't have a hair on their a$$. I believe this is not only a necessary statement, but a mandatory one. We must expect leadership from our leaders, not cowardice. Some people need to be told what to do. This eliminates that dumba$$ excuse I have heard here for ever......"Well, I haven't heard the union say don't fly extra"
I also think it is stupid to quit flying the extra as a staunch union supporter and let some slimy MINO (member in name only) stuff his bank account in these trying times. I have ALWAYS did what I thought was right when the MEC could not endorse such acts. This is different because the company needs the reduction!
This seems black and white to me, but I have been wrong before.
BB
01-03-2009, 10:20 AM
#34
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How many times do Memphis guys get draft calls compared to guys that commute? This section has never been followed. It's easier to call a person that lives in Memphis and have them D/H somewhere at draft pay then it is to start at the bottom of the seniority list and work upwards.
01-03-2009, 10:53 AM
#35
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MEC and NC and Fellow Line Pilots,
The implementation of 48/60 by the company had BETTER get your attention in a HUGE WAY -- if you think this is no big deal, then you are officially christened an IDIOT!
We pay dues for a reason and it's now time to get this one right -- show some b@llz and make us proud -- for once in your collective tenures!
Here's what I want to see:
1. IMMEDIATE GRIEVANCE against the company on this issue -- inappropriate use of 48/60 section. Our collective sacrifice is far greater than ANY other employee group or even the CEO + all the executives! A lump sum settlement + interest after a grievance victory seems appropriate.
2. Stand up the SPC -- Strategic Preparedness Committee. We are getting seriously hosed here, so I think it's time to take it to the next level.
3. Informational Picketing -- Nationwide + Media
4. MEC and NC need to take a VERY AGGRESSIVE stance on this situation.
We had no problem during contract negotiations with picketing measures for contract IMPROVEMENTS.
This is NOT the time to roll over on your back and pi$$ yourself in light of the company's actions. That means all my fellow line pilots, MEC and NC. Don't be intimidated -- our company is making money. Not as much as they are used to seeing in the coffers, but still making money! The pax carriers were losing hundreds of millions/month before these kind of pay reductions and furloughs were enacted.
Show some BACKBONE and take care of the pilots you all represent!
WE ARE NOW IN A SERIOUS REVERSAL OF FORTUNES PEOPLE -- WAKE UP!
DO IT LEGAL -- DO IT RIGHT -- DO IT NOW!
I'm just getting started ... but I will take a break for now.
NKA
The implementation of 48/60 by the company had BETTER get your attention in a HUGE WAY -- if you think this is no big deal, then you are officially christened an IDIOT!
We pay dues for a reason and it's now time to get this one right -- show some b@llz and make us proud -- for once in your collective tenures!
Here's what I want to see:
1. IMMEDIATE GRIEVANCE against the company on this issue -- inappropriate use of 48/60 section. Our collective sacrifice is far greater than ANY other employee group or even the CEO + all the executives! A lump sum settlement + interest after a grievance victory seems appropriate.
2. Stand up the SPC -- Strategic Preparedness Committee. We are getting seriously hosed here, so I think it's time to take it to the next level.
3. Informational Picketing -- Nationwide + Media
4. MEC and NC need to take a VERY AGGRESSIVE stance on this situation.
We had no problem during contract negotiations with picketing measures for contract IMPROVEMENTS.
This is NOT the time to roll over on your back and pi$$ yourself in light of the company's actions. That means all my fellow line pilots, MEC and NC. Don't be intimidated -- our company is making money. Not as much as they are used to seeing in the coffers, but still making money! The pax carriers were losing hundreds of millions/month before these kind of pay reductions and furloughs were enacted.
Show some BACKBONE and take care of the pilots you all represent!
WE ARE NOW IN A SERIOUS REVERSAL OF FORTUNES PEOPLE -- WAKE UP!
DO IT LEGAL -- DO IT RIGHT -- DO IT NOW!
I'm just getting started ... but I will take a break for now.
NKA
01-03-2009, 11:17 AM
#36
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Thread title: "FDX -- When will the MEC and NC grow a PAIR? "
You need hormones to grow a pair. So I would say when we, the membership, start making our hors moan...The Union leadership will be able to grow a pair.
Until then...They're just cat herding.
You need hormones to grow a pair. So I would say when we, the membership, start making our hors moan...The Union leadership will be able to grow a pair.
Until then...They're just cat herding.
01-03-2009, 02:10 PM
#38
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5192/28Dec
Airbus Capt with CA areacode (916) on VAC all month gets an FO trip with DH to LAX for only trip of the month!
Most likely called when this dude called in sick in the field - 5191/29Dec
Still, no Airbus FOs that live in CA??
5192/28Dec
Airbus Capt with CA areacode (916) on VAC all month gets an FO trip with DH to LAX for only trip of the month!
Most likely called when this dude called in sick in the field - 5191/29Dec
Still, no Airbus FOs that live in CA??
01-03-2009, 02:35 PM
#40
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I called DT in Contract Enforcement yesterday. He "thinks" it might fall under 25.P, which says they can assign a trip to Management within 9 hours of showtime.
My opinion is that it falls under 25.O, which says a Draft trip has to be offered in reverse seniority.
If I'm right, wouldn't that mean that EVERY AIRBUS F/O with those dates off are entitled to compensation??
My opinion is that it falls under 25.O, which says a Draft trip has to be offered in reverse seniority.
If I'm right, wouldn't that mean that EVERY AIRBUS F/O with those dates off are entitled to compensation??
