FDX -- When will the MEC and NC grow a PAIR?
01-02-2009, 10:07 PM
#13
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You are waisting your time and your money unless the union endorses this. Until they do fly your ass off and make as much cash as you can. You are an idiot if you don't. Save up and wait to fight the fight when it comes.
01-03-2009, 04:31 AM
#14
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Brothers and Sisters, hang tough and don't let this kind of "CHEAP TALK" move you into despair ; this is going to be an exercise in collective will and determination to set things straight and I believe we have what it takes to do it. Support for each other and our Union is crucial right now ...................
01-03-2009, 05:41 AM
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Cheap Talk? Nice.
Just to clarify, my original post is nowhere near "Cheap Talk".
PC and DM are displaying a total lack of respect for all of us and the contibutions we make to this corporation. No discussion, no bargaining, no parity in common sacrifice with the other employees. They must think that we will just hang our heads, take the beating, and hope for some crumbs when it's over. This isn't Oliver Twist. This is real people with real families making real sacrifices.
This is more than purely about money. This is unfettered arrogance at the highest levels. The company and union reps all know this 48/60 provision was not intended to be implemented in this way. They choose to impose their will on us with the attitude of:
"F--- the pilots, let them grieve it!"
This should stay firmly rooted with all of us for the duration of this storm.
Our MEC and NC has engaged them repeatedly to achieve a reasonable solution well in advance of the 12/31 announcement. I'm very proud of JG and the NC -- their perspectives and recent communications have been excellent. I'm saying that the rhetoric is getting old -- it's time to take every available step within the RLA to make our statement as a unified group.
Let's be clear on one thing -- the MEC and JG CAN"T DO S--T without us! FDX can't either for that matter.
I am financially prepared to weather this painful storm until an appropriate resolution is determined via the grievance process. Unfortunately, many are not and we stand a good chance of losing a few hundred of our brothers/sisters on the seniority list.
What happened to shared sacrifice? After the company opens their books to ALPA's E & FA experts, I could deal with a 5-10% pay cut for a specified time -- 6 months -- if it were justified. After 6 months, review the progress and determine the next step.
Fly your trips, sit reserve, fly the scheduled deadhead, take your vacations, spend more time with your family, don't fly if you are sick, call in fatigued if you're tired. Pretty simple really.
Don't call me for anything else. Pretty simple.
Unity works. Simple.
PC and DM are displaying a total lack of respect for all of us and the contibutions we make to this corporation. No discussion, no bargaining, no parity in common sacrifice with the other employees. They must think that we will just hang our heads, take the beating, and hope for some crumbs when it's over. This isn't Oliver Twist. This is real people with real families making real sacrifices.
This is more than purely about money. This is unfettered arrogance at the highest levels. The company and union reps all know this 48/60 provision was not intended to be implemented in this way. They choose to impose their will on us with the attitude of:
"F--- the pilots, let them grieve it!"
This should stay firmly rooted with all of us for the duration of this storm.
Our MEC and NC has engaged them repeatedly to achieve a reasonable solution well in advance of the 12/31 announcement. I'm very proud of JG and the NC -- their perspectives and recent communications have been excellent. I'm saying that the rhetoric is getting old -- it's time to take every available step within the RLA to make our statement as a unified group.
Let's be clear on one thing -- the MEC and JG CAN"T DO S--T without us! FDX can't either for that matter.
I am financially prepared to weather this painful storm until an appropriate resolution is determined via the grievance process. Unfortunately, many are not and we stand a good chance of losing a few hundred of our brothers/sisters on the seniority list.
What happened to shared sacrifice? After the company opens their books to ALPA's E & FA experts, I could deal with a 5-10% pay cut for a specified time -- 6 months -- if it were justified. After 6 months, review the progress and determine the next step.
Fly your trips, sit reserve, fly the scheduled deadhead, take your vacations, spend more time with your family, don't fly if you are sick, call in fatigued if you're tired. Pretty simple really.
Don't call me for anything else. Pretty simple.
Unity works. Simple.
01-03-2009, 06:01 AM
#16
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Fr8Hauler, You have a good point singling me out for assuming that we could all stand together and do what's right for each other. We will never get anywhere if our union leaders don't do the right thing and I have my serious doubts about their intentions. But...Kool Aid still is absolutely correct here and for once in our freaking lives we need to get together and stand strong (EVEN IF THAT MEANS STANDING UP TO OUR OWN MEC).
I'm with ya Kool Aid and have done and will plan on sticking to your suggestions.
Gator
I'm with ya Kool Aid and have done and will plan on sticking to your suggestions.
Gator
01-03-2009, 06:56 AM
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Personal Side of Things
After breaking the news with all the associated implications to my wife and kids:
Pretty tough pill to swallow watching my entire family in TEARS over this company imposed debaucle.
This is personal and I will not forget 12/31/08. Nor should any of you.
NKA
Pretty tough pill to swallow watching my entire family in TEARS over this company imposed debaucle.
This is personal and I will not forget 12/31/08. Nor should any of you.
NKA
01-03-2009, 07:19 AM
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NKA,
I don't know how long you have been here but this is not the first time they have made it "personal". Just asked some of the older guys what a "Red Letter" is. I too had to tell my wife about this and it wasn't easy. I think that I took it harder and she almost sat me down to take my blood pressure to show me how high it was. That is what they want.
On you post, I loved it and back it 100%. I too just told them not to call me for a draft trip, something that I had forgot to do, so thank you.
Stand together and we will get thru this
Noser
PS I am a jr 11 capt who will lose his seat if this happens, so I kind of feel the pain of the bottom guys. I will still have a job but will take a very BIG pay cut if this happens.
I don't know how long you have been here but this is not the first time they have made it "personal". Just asked some of the older guys what a "Red Letter" is. I too had to tell my wife about this and it wasn't easy. I think that I took it harder and she almost sat me down to take my blood pressure to show me how high it was. That is what they want.
On you post, I loved it and back it 100%. I too just told them not to call me for a draft trip, something that I had forgot to do, so thank you.
Stand together and we will get thru this
Noser
PS I am a jr 11 capt who will lose his seat if this happens, so I kind of feel the pain of the bottom guys. I will still have a job but will take a very BIG pay cut if this happens.
01-03-2009, 07:44 AM
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