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01-01-2009, 01:00 PM
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If I posted misinformation I apologize, but I don't see where I did that. I was attempting to post only my thoughts on how I see the company operating between the lines of the CBA.
01-01-2009, 01:16 PM
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Well,it just looks that way. My bad...
Bottom line is our conract allowed them to go to the back seat without a bid, and the DC10 guys during the period when we no longer fly the jet and they are awaiting their training date will get paid an average blg across all of the bid packs.
And lowering the MBPG doe not mean in any way that that is what they will build, fly and pay us starting in Feb. PC even stated that they would be built to a much higher blg than the MBPG of 48.
It is smoke and mirrors my friend. Let them put on their little play, and we yell BRAVO BRAVO from the mezzanine when they are through.
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Bottom line is our conract allowed them to go to the back seat without a bid, and the DC10 guys during the period when we no longer fly the jet and they are awaiting their training date will get paid an average blg across all of the bid packs.
And lowering the MBPG doe not mean in any way that that is what they will build, fly and pay us starting in Feb. PC even stated that they would be built to a much higher blg than the MBPG of 48.
It is smoke and mirrors my friend. Let them put on their little play, and we yell BRAVO BRAVO from the mezzanine when they are through.
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01-01-2009, 02:29 PM
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All the company has said is that there is a new minimum. Not a separate minimum for each acft. Feb 09 bidpacks should be published in a week so we'll get a better idea of how to react.
I can, and do believe that the intent of the language was a share the pain maximum BLG for all....but, that intent just doesn't match the verbiage.
nor can I find any verbiage reflecting a maximum spread of BLGs between acft
I would expect that we are going to grieve PCs decision to implement this section of the contract. Doesn't mean that an arbitrator will agree with us, nor do I expect it to be timely.
It is my personal opinion that the company could ride out the economic down turn while maintaining the status quo. It is also my opinion that the training costs and relocation costs will greatly exceed the benefits of any upcoming excess bid. I find it somewhat ironic that the company is willing to accept the lost productivity created by multiple training cycles, yet, has a huge cow over the individual loss of productivity caused by someone calling in sick.
And the cubicle the BoyCaptain is sitting in is the left seat of an Airbus.
I can, and do believe that the intent of the language was a share the pain maximum BLG for all....but, that intent just doesn't match the verbiage.
nor can I find any verbiage reflecting a maximum spread of BLGs between acft
I would expect that we are going to grieve PCs decision to implement this section of the contract. Doesn't mean that an arbitrator will agree with us, nor do I expect it to be timely.
It is my personal opinion that the company could ride out the economic down turn while maintaining the status quo. It is also my opinion that the training costs and relocation costs will greatly exceed the benefits of any upcoming excess bid. I find it somewhat ironic that the company is willing to accept the lost productivity created by multiple training cycles, yet, has a huge cow over the individual loss of productivity caused by someone calling in sick.
And the cubicle the BoyCaptain is sitting in is the left seat of an Airbus.
01-01-2009, 06:25 PM
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I don't know, did you???
I needed to take a break, I have been playing nonstop since Christmas and my thumbs are getting cramped, also my girlfriend wanted to play guitar hero.
BWP + You = 'WE'
01-02-2009, 07:10 AM
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no draft, vol, protect min days off....how that going????
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01-02-2009, 07:22 AM
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even better
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so, unity? I think not
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so, unity? I think not
01-02-2009, 10:10 AM
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Unity for the Bottom part of the list again.....??
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01-02-2009, 11:35 AM
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