Daniel Larusso

The amount of time between the closure of the 777 bid and the proposed excesses does seem curious for a company that claims it is in dire need of drastic measures. They didn't get anywhere with ALPA all this time, so it seems like they want some time to try and negotiate directly with us under implied threat.

If they intend to furlough, they are going to do it anyway and no LOA is going to stop that. ALPA's furlough mitigation proposal did not include final language, but from what I saw of the synopsis I didn't get the sense that there was any kind of act of war/terrorism/natural disaster/Martian attack or Force Majeure clause attached to the proposed no-furlough language. No furlough clauses are tough to enforce as is, without any of that stuff they would likely drive a big ol' Force Manure truck right through that provision.

Imo any future proposed LOA on manning issues, must include expansion/enhancements to 4.a.2.b. Things like: mandatory sharing of the proprietary manning data with ALPA preferably monthly, clarification of the meaning of impending furlough, a mechanism to drive a snap back to the standard contract language, force majeure protection, and an expedited grievance process on anything in the entire contract having to do with RIF(including scope).

fedupbusdriver

25 C 8.
If no bid period package is published for a crew position due to the absence of known and confirmed flying in such crew position, pilots holding such crew position shall not be awarded lines for the bid period and shall be paid the average scheduled BLG for regular lines, system-wide.

fedupbusdriver

24 E 6.

A pilot who has a legal restriction that prohibits him from flying in his current crew status shall be accommodated in another crew status, if any, from which he is not legally restricted consistent with his seniority and standing bid.

kronan

Everyone one of "those guys" had the option to retire, so everyone of "those guys" chose to go to the backseat. Just as people may choose to go to the back seat at 65, if it's still available.

And everyone of "those guys" was entitled to do exactly what they did.


And, I do know of at least one single dad who downbid from widebody Capt to widebody FO without a vacancy posting. So, in at least some situations, the company does do a good job of taking care of folks. Bereavement abscences is another good example of something the company does right.

so mgt not 100% $%^&*%^, maybe only 95% :-) definitely over 50%

FlyByNyte

Yup..."those guys" are entitled to shoot themselves in the foot too if they want. Plus that crowd is virtually littered with CHEAP A$$ non-members, just like the 777. To allow the contract language to be interpreted in such a way as protect them and allow them to steal seats after 60, with no open bid was a mistake. This comment applies to those that turned and kept plumbing before the law changed...those after are a different story.

--And remember, friends don't let friends fly themselves to the grave.

onetime

I have no crystal ball, but one or two lines and one airplane will constitute a bidpack. That can be a charter or Austin O/Bs. Company pays 48/60 to that group. We greive it, long process. Next CBA has a one pager in the back that says all outstanding greivances will be withdrawn. Don't be surprised.

Unknown Rider

What's this "WE" stuff? Didn't we already establish you're not a FedEx pilot. Go back to your Xbox and leave this stuff to the adults.

fedupbusdriver

Are you just making shiip up off the top of your head? Settle down until we see something happen. My point is know your contract before spewing it out from something you heard from Omar the tent maker. And the other thing is that MBPG does not equal BLG. Again, read the little book that they sent us, and talk facts, not daydreams.

onetime

I knew about 25C8 and 24E6 long before you cut and pasted them above. Comments like Omar the tent maker tell us a lot about where you are coming from. You're right, let's wait and see.

fedupbusdriver

If you knew about it, why post misinformation? Just to stir the pot?

And by the way, I'm 49 yrs old, 11yrs at the company, and will be soon flying in the rt seat again. So I feel your pain.

I guess intead of Omar I could have used that Faqqot that used to DJ on MTV, if that's what you mean.