Its Official; we are doomed
#31
A300,
The problem is there is no "fair and equitable C/O." Only the senior guys can work that system. So they will gobble them up and still have 100 hr + lines and the rest of us working stiffs will slugg it out on the 48 hr lines. Do away with it all or this is a no go in my book. As long as there are lines out there with more that a couple days of carry over it is a show stopper. There are some pairings that always require some carry over but it is ridiculous right now. I have 7 days of carryover they gave me on a VTO in Jan, and PC wants to cut us in Feb? Not even close to "fair and equitable" the way the bid pack is written right now.
The problem is there is no "fair and equitable C/O." Only the senior guys can work that system. So they will gobble them up and still have 100 hr + lines and the rest of us working stiffs will slugg it out on the 48 hr lines. Do away with it all or this is a no go in my book. As long as there are lines out there with more that a couple days of carry over it is a show stopper. There are some pairings that always require some carry over but it is ridiculous right now. I have 7 days of carryover they gave me on a VTO in Jan, and PC wants to cut us in Feb? Not even close to "fair and equitable" the way the bid pack is written right now.
I certainly don't know that to be the exact case, but in my mind, that would be moving towards fair and equitable, especially given the state of our company stated "over-manning".
Once again, the company doesn't really want that to happen! They'd rather have us taking it out on the guys that are protecting the c/o at the expense of the entire crewforce. Because their desire is to keep us fractured!
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
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Posts: 382
Sounds to me you guys work for a company that is actually being managed. Those evil executives are actually trying to do something to keep the company solvent so that there can be jobs and services long into the future.
#34
Many of us on this board, while very junior at Purple, have been through this before. The key is not to panic and stay unified.
Save, don't spend. Choose safe investments. If you're in the guard/reserves, stay. Consider taking a year to go on orders and go to school or do a flying or staff tour. If you're not currently serving, consider joining back up. If you're a civilian only guy, develop a buisness.
There are contract protections in place to keep the guys on the property on the property. We have to hold the company's feet to the fire to the letter on these protections. The company will try to exploit our fear and try to divide us. That's their job; our job is not to be divided.
It's my belief that FedEx will not furlough. Guys in ANC, guys in HKG, paid moves, training cycles, I just don't see it. But they will make you think they will and take full advantages of your fear. The guys I worry about are the guys like the 727 CA I flew with a few months ago: big house, big car collection, two airplanes and a nose in VIPS open time every time he was near a computer. If you're flying your month plus two trips and barely making it as a narrow body CA, you need to slow your roll.
Read the contract, know the contract, enforce the contract.
Save, don't spend. Choose safe investments. If you're in the guard/reserves, stay. Consider taking a year to go on orders and go to school or do a flying or staff tour. If you're not currently serving, consider joining back up. If you're a civilian only guy, develop a buisness.
There are contract protections in place to keep the guys on the property on the property. We have to hold the company's feet to the fire to the letter on these protections. The company will try to exploit our fear and try to divide us. That's their job; our job is not to be divided.
It's my belief that FedEx will not furlough. Guys in ANC, guys in HKG, paid moves, training cycles, I just don't see it. But they will make you think they will and take full advantages of your fear. The guys I worry about are the guys like the 727 CA I flew with a few months ago: big house, big car collection, two airplanes and a nose in VIPS open time every time he was near a computer. If you're flying your month plus two trips and barely making it as a narrow body CA, you need to slow your roll.
Read the contract, know the contract, enforce the contract.
#35
Not a problem with that. As a shareholder I don't like seeing lines bought up to 68 hours when we aren't producing any revenue. The problem is hitting the pilot group with (effectively) a 29.5% pay cut. Cut it 10% like the VP's and I can live with it. Don't make us the scapegoats for poor work force planning.
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,237
It's my belief that FedEx will not furlough. Guys in ANC, guys in HKG, paid moves, training cycles, I just don't see it. But they will make you think they will
1. Orders came down from on high to cut pilot pay;
2. They looked at the contract. Only way they could lower pilot pay is when they are preventing a furlough.
3. They use the required language so they can abide by the contract. They can't say, "We're cutting pilot salaries." They can say, "We're cutting pilot salaries to prevent a furlough."
#37
MOD NOTE:
Please do not post the FCIF as it is against APC policy and just an issue we do not want to get into. It company related priviliged information and when posted here is reported by fellow FDX pilots many times over to us.
Please do not post the FCIF as it is against APC policy and just an issue we do not want to get into. It company related priviliged information and when posted here is reported by fellow FDX pilots many times over to us.
#38
By the way. Remember its not just us taking a hit. The rest of OUR company is taking a hit too!
Last edited by Fly Dawg 11; 01-01-2009 at 06:10 AM. Reason: forgot something
#39
Welcome to the forum.
We've already taken a hit. At least the earnings total on my W2 is going to be less than last years, even after a longevity raise and the contractual raise.
I am in it for the long haul too. But that doesn't mean accepting everything without a grain of salt, nor does it mean bending over to take it just because I should be grateful to have a job 100s of other pilots don't.
nor does it mean taking an additional huge salary cut simply to maintain the profitibility margin so the stock doesn't take a hit.
When are the shareholders of OUR company going to take a hit? Afterall, it's apparently about the economic survival of FedEx in some individuals eyes.
And, aren't we all in this together
We've already taken a hit. At least the earnings total on my W2 is going to be less than last years, even after a longevity raise and the contractual raise.
I am in it for the long haul too. But that doesn't mean accepting everything without a grain of salt, nor does it mean bending over to take it just because I should be grateful to have a job 100s of other pilots don't.
nor does it mean taking an additional huge salary cut simply to maintain the profitibility margin so the stock doesn't take a hit.
When are the shareholders of OUR company going to take a hit? Afterall, it's apparently about the economic survival of FedEx in some individuals eyes.
And, aren't we all in this together
#40
Pardon my ignorance but is there any language in your contract that enforces a cap of any kind associated with the reduced BLG? If the company can reduce the guarantee is there anything that prevents them from keeping the line credits high on some fleets and seats while greatly lowering the credit value on others?
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