FDX 777 Pay issue resolved?
12-21-2008, 07:32 AM
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let's not get carried away with this 777 deal.....most of the guys on here can't hold it(left seat anyway)..and will never hold it!....i don't want to hear about 20 years from now....do u think the bottom guys care about a 777 raise or do u think they care about keeping their job...seems to me there is money in this deal...somewhere!..maybe!...we will see in the specifics....i think JG has the BIG picture....but somehow DW will screw this up.....opinion only!
12-21-2008, 08:28 AM
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let's not get carried away with this 777 deal.....most of the guys on here can't hold it(left seat anyway)..and will never hold it!....i don't want to hear about 20 years from now....do u think the bottom guys care about a 777 raise or do u think they care about keeping their job...seems to me there is money in this deal...somewhere!..maybe!...we will see in the specifics....i think JG has the BIG picture....but somehow DW will screw this up.....opinion only!
12-21-2008, 09:07 AM
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12-21-2008, 10:10 AM
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You didn't read what I was saying. i was wondering why there was a push for the higher pay scale for the 777 in general, that's all. I have many friends at FedEx and I know about your payscales. I happen to like our payscale better, as I believe it avoids problems like having to negotiate a new payrate with a new aircraft. I'm very happy flying the 757 with our single payscale. Also nothing wrong with keeping tabs on the competition...
nah, let's just put in every new aircraft at lower/existing payrates. then again, why are we going to negotiate a new contract? we already have established payrates. why push for higher?
are you picking up my sarcasm?
12-21-2008, 10:16 AM
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12-21-2008, 10:19 AM
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I can't disagree more. Problems? I call it a great oppurtunity to raise the pay scales for pilots world wide. Please educate yourself on the history of the airlines. And start in the 1950's.
This is how you gain leverage with a company that would like to squash you like a bug if they could.
I think the single pay scale is a huge failure of the IPA.
Please ask yourself, why since the inception of airlines, are we the ONLY airline with a single pay scale? If it's so great? Because it gives the company huge savings and leverage.
At least FDX pilots now has a very rare oppurtunity to raise the pay there and for many,many others. Like a band of brothers. This is how it works.
The reason you like the single pay scale is usually because that's all you've known. Why doesn't DAL,AMR,UAL,etc. have it if it's so great. Because the airline will give one a pay scale based on a narrow body, not a wide body pay rate. Just like ours. We are the highest paid by default!! Our pay is less than a MD-80 pay in 2003, which proves my point. Our pay is a narrow body rate.
This is how you gain leverage with a company that would like to squash you like a bug if they could.
I think the single pay scale is a huge failure of the IPA.
Please ask yourself, why since the inception of airlines, are we the ONLY airline with a single pay scale? If it's so great? Because it gives the company huge savings and leverage.
At least FDX pilots now has a very rare oppurtunity to raise the pay there and for many,many others. Like a band of brothers. This is how it works.
The reason you like the single pay scale is usually because that's all you've known. Why doesn't DAL,AMR,UAL,etc. have it if it's so great. Because the airline will give one a pay scale based on a narrow body, not a wide body pay rate. Just like ours. We are the highest paid by default!! Our pay is less than a MD-80 pay in 2003, which proves my point. Our pay is a narrow body rate.
Must be in the Captain seat that the way better shows up... FedEx 10yr WB CA at $220/hr compared to UPS at $221/hr. Uhmmm, maybe its FedEx 10yr NB CA at $189/hr compared to UPS CA at $221/hr. Uhmmm, maybe it's in the B-Fund. Why, FedEx scored a coup on our last contract and went from 6% all the way to 7% on our B-Fund. Compare that to the meager 12% UPS pilot get! Uhmmm....
All we get here at FedEx with the multiple pay scales on multiple airframes is a classic example of pilots stepping on pilots to make an extra nickle an hour. Studying airline history might be somewhat useful. A more useful example might be to study the history of unions up in Flint... Same pay across all tracks here would enable pilots to bid where they want to fly vs bidding for pay, a vastly better system in my opinion (especially for commuters). The operative phrase here being that this is only MY opinion. I'm also against the A-Plan, if that helps you figure my stance on things at all.
12-21-2008, 10:36 AM
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I have to agree with BC. As much as dislike the idea of "rolling over" on the 777 pay, I think most of us have different concerns. I'd like to fight the 380 vs 777 fight on principle alone, but on the other hand, I really just don't want to be furloughed or have my BLG cut. The 777 pay issue isn't the one that keeps me awake at night.
Duece, not arguing a blg reduction or furlough are not bad, I just don't see where they have anything to do with 777 pay scales.
let's not get carried away with this 777 deal.....most of the guys on here can't hold it(left seat anyway)..and will never hold it!....i don't want to hear about 20 years from now....do u think the bottom guys care about a 777 raise or do u think they care about keeping their job...seems to me there is money in this deal...somewhere!..maybe!...we will see in the specifics....i think JG has the BIG picture....but somehow DW will screw this up.....opinion only!
If I will never hold it, does that mean I should vote yes or no?
12-21-2008, 10:45 AM
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This is a marathon, not a sprint.
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