FDX BLG/RLG/MEC Hour Reduction
11-27-2008, 11:15 AM
#41
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,931
Here's my take--
The CBA's numerous MD11 gains and the FDA LOA's lack of appropriate housing allowance were due to a narrow focus on the most Senior. Same with the age 65 debacle.
The question is - will the senior element recognize they should offer the junior pilot something, during this manning crisis, after all they have obtained for themselves? Or will the established trend continue unabated...
I pray that DW's focus on the junior pilot is real. All misgivings due to previous issue handling will vanish.
The CBA's numerous MD11 gains and the FDA LOA's lack of appropriate housing allowance were due to a narrow focus on the most Senior. Same with the age 65 debacle.
The question is - will the senior element recognize they should offer the junior pilot something, during this manning crisis, after all they have obtained for themselves? Or will the established trend continue unabated...
I pray that DW's focus on the junior pilot is real. All misgivings due to previous issue handling will vanish.
Last edited by Gunter; 11-27-2008 at 11:23 AM.
11-27-2008, 01:14 PM
#42
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 46
Wow, nice rumor .... but
1. Don't we need to get to 48 hours prior to any furlough?
CBA 4.A.2.b "The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a
minimum of 48/60 CH before any pilot is furloughed. At least a full bid period must follow the announcement of this action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or delay a furlough."
If my math is correct that would be a 33% decrease in BLG from the traditional 72/90 BLG. Have our flight hours really dropped 33%? I understand that our loads are down significantly but actual flight hours down 33%?
2. If the company decided to furlough once they get to furloughee # 9 they would be pulling F/O's out of China. Not sure they want to do that.
If they furlough 136 folks (or 3% of the crew force) then half of the F/O's in China are coming home.
Not only would they be "unmanning" the new FDA, they would incur "other" costs associated with furloughing from a foreign domicile.
CBA 6.E.2.b.ii "A pilot who is furloughed from an FDA, shall be eligible
for relocation package #2, excluding the relocation allowance described in Section 6.C.2., or 6.E.1.c., provided he relocates to his last pre-FDA residence or to MEM, at his option."
After furloughee #254 (5.4 %) leaves they would coming from Anchorage.
It is kind of ironic that the the FDA LOA and all the folks that took it may be the very thing that keeps the bottom 400 dudes from getting furloughed.
My personal $.02 for January.... Reduced BLG, No Buy up and lots of rumors about furloughs on Airline Pilot Central.
This my first post so blast away
1. Don't we need to get to 48 hours prior to any furlough?
CBA 4.A.2.b "The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a
minimum of 48/60 CH before any pilot is furloughed. At least a full bid period must follow the announcement of this action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or delay a furlough."
If my math is correct that would be a 33% decrease in BLG from the traditional 72/90 BLG. Have our flight hours really dropped 33%? I understand that our loads are down significantly but actual flight hours down 33%?
2. If the company decided to furlough once they get to furloughee # 9 they would be pulling F/O's out of China. Not sure they want to do that.
If they furlough 136 folks (or 3% of the crew force) then half of the F/O's in China are coming home.
Not only would they be "unmanning" the new FDA, they would incur "other" costs associated with furloughing from a foreign domicile.
CBA 6.E.2.b.ii "A pilot who is furloughed from an FDA, shall be eligible
for relocation package #2, excluding the relocation allowance described in Section 6.C.2., or 6.E.1.c., provided he relocates to his last pre-FDA residence or to MEM, at his option."
After furloughee #254 (5.4 %) leaves they would coming from Anchorage.
It is kind of ironic that the the FDA LOA and all the folks that took it may be the very thing that keeps the bottom 400 dudes from getting furloughed.
My personal $.02 for January.... Reduced BLG, No Buy up and lots of rumors about furloughs on Airline Pilot Central.
This my first post so blast away
11-27-2008, 01:52 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: MD11 FO
Posts: 142
I would be shocked if fedex announced via bidpack that the january bid will not be bought up to current BLG minimums. That would have to come out before XMAS which wouldn't be what the company wants. Now after the bid closes, management could then announce BLG reductions for february before the january month begins. We'll see.
11-27-2008, 02:23 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: A300/310 Capt
Posts: 1,642
Wow, nice rumor .... but
1. Don't we need to get to 48 hours prior to any furlough?
CBA 4.A.2.b "The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a
minimum of 48/60 CH before any pilot is furloughed. At least a full bid period must follow the announcement of this action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or delay a furlough."
If my math is correct that would be a 33% decrease in BLG from the traditional 72/90 BLG. Have our flight hours really dropped 33%? I understand that our loads are down significantly but actual flight hours down 33%?
2. If the company decided to furlough once they get to furloughee # 9 they would be pulling F/O's out of China. Not sure they want to do that.
If they furlough 136 folks (or 3% of the crew force) then half of the F/O's in China are coming home.
Not only would they be "unmanning" the new FDA, they would incur "other" costs associated with furloughing from a foreign domicile.
CBA 6.E.2.b.ii "A pilot who is furloughed from an FDA, shall be eligible
for relocation package #2, excluding the relocation allowance described in Section 6.C.2., or 6.E.1.c., provided he relocates to his last pre-FDA residence or to MEM, at his option."
After furloughee #254 (5.4 %) leaves they would coming from Anchorage.
It is kind of ironic that the the FDA LOA and all the folks that took it may be the very thing that keeps the bottom 400 dudes from getting furloughed.
My personal $.02 for January.... Reduced BLG, No Buy up and lots of rumors about furloughs on Airline Pilot Central.
This my first post so blast away
1. Don't we need to get to 48 hours prior to any furlough?
CBA 4.A.2.b "The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a
minimum of 48/60 CH before any pilot is furloughed. At least a full bid period must follow the announcement of this action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or delay a furlough."
If my math is correct that would be a 33% decrease in BLG from the traditional 72/90 BLG. Have our flight hours really dropped 33%? I understand that our loads are down significantly but actual flight hours down 33%?
2. If the company decided to furlough once they get to furloughee # 9 they would be pulling F/O's out of China. Not sure they want to do that.
If they furlough 136 folks (or 3% of the crew force) then half of the F/O's in China are coming home.
Not only would they be "unmanning" the new FDA, they would incur "other" costs associated with furloughing from a foreign domicile.
CBA 6.E.2.b.ii "A pilot who is furloughed from an FDA, shall be eligible
for relocation package #2, excluding the relocation allowance described in Section 6.C.2., or 6.E.1.c., provided he relocates to his last pre-FDA residence or to MEM, at his option."
After furloughee #254 (5.4 %) leaves they would coming from Anchorage.
It is kind of ironic that the the FDA LOA and all the folks that took it may be the very thing that keeps the bottom 400 dudes from getting furloughed.
My personal $.02 for January.... Reduced BLG, No Buy up and lots of rumors about furloughs on Airline Pilot Central.
This my first post so blast away
Min bid period guarantee is totally different from what ever bid line value that they choose to build the bid pack. The min guarantee only places a bottom on what they must pay the line holder. They can lower the min to 48, and build to 60, 65, 55,.... you pick it. The min just means that if they build lower than 48, then they must buy up to 48. Currently, the min for a 4 week month is 68, but nothing keeps them from building the lines to 73, 74 , 75, other than min days off, and the 13 hr max spread between the lowest and highest line value.
11-27-2008, 03:40 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 777 F/O
Posts: 340
Welcome to APC. I do not think that there will be a furlough either, but would like to point out one thing.
Min bid period guarantee is totally different from what ever bid line value that they choose to build the bid pack. The min guarantee only places a bottom on what they must pay the line holder. They can lower the min to 48, and build to 60, 65, 55,.... you pick it. The min just means that if they build lower than 48, then they must buy up to 48. Currently, the min for a 4 week month is 68, but nothing keeps them from building the lines to 73, 74 , 75, other than min days off, and the 13 hr max spread between the lowest and highest line value.
Min bid period guarantee is totally different from what ever bid line value that they choose to build the bid pack. The min guarantee only places a bottom on what they must pay the line holder. They can lower the min to 48, and build to 60, 65, 55,.... you pick it. The min just means that if they build lower than 48, then they must buy up to 48. Currently, the min for a 4 week month is 68, but nothing keeps them from building the lines to 73, 74 , 75, other than min days off, and the 13 hr max spread between the lowest and highest line value.
11-27-2008, 04:01 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Excessed B-727 Capt
Posts: 115
If no bid period package is published for a crew position due to the absence of known and confirmed flying in such crew position, pilots holding such crew position shall not be awarded lines for the bid period and shall be paid the average scheduled BLG for regular lines, system-wide.
Any thoughts??
11-27-2008, 04:25 PM
#47
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 777 F/O
Posts: 340
I beleive the contract may differ from that plan. 25.C.8 reads as follows:
If no bid period package is published for a crew position due to the absence of known and confirmed flying in such crew position, pilots holding such crew position shall not be awarded lines for the bid period and shall be paid the average scheduled BLG for regular lines, system-wide.
Any thoughts??
If no bid period package is published for a crew position due to the absence of known and confirmed flying in such crew position, pilots holding such crew position shall not be awarded lines for the bid period and shall be paid the average scheduled BLG for regular lines, system-wide.
Any thoughts??
11-27-2008, 09:06 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: On the corner, covered in Stickum
Posts: 376
11-28-2008, 04:33 AM
#50
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD11 F/O
Posts: 653
Is pray the word you wanted to use?
I'm sick of hearing DW is watching out for the junior guys. Talk and action are two different things. Can anyone point out one accomplishment to help the junior guys?
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