GM Killing On-Demand Fr8 Ops?
11-22-2008, 06:24 PM
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You misunderstood
That remark was tongue-in-cheek. If you read my posts and FDXLAGs you would see that I agree with you.
UAW greed? The UAW has given, given and given more. (sound familiar just like Airline Labor) Their salaries are currently on par with non union assembly line workers at American Toyota, Honda and Nissan. Look at Japan's Auto CEO salaries.They are no where close to American CEO counterparts.
Senior auto MGT has no long term vision. They (the Big 3) put all their eggs in 1 basket for the last 10 years, i.e The Big Pick up and SUV.
The UAW doesn't plan, manage or control anything. All they do is Assemble what MGT tells them to build.
While the Big 3 where cranking these gas guzzlers out (and yes they were popular the American family), Honda, Nissan and Toyota where marketing fuel quality efficent vehicles with Hybrid options.
The Big 3 made the same mistake in 1973 and 1979 when Gas skyrocketed to 50 cents/ 80 cents a gallon respectively. They like now, were caught with their pants down. All they offered were Big American V-8's, when Datsun and toyota and VW offered fuel efficent vehicles. Apparently they never learned from past mistakes. So this is the UAW's fault? Please...........
The Big 3 clearly have the ability to manufacture a quality fuel efficent vehicle but have chosen not to do so, and now they have to play catch up, just like 1973 and 1979.
Yeah I'm sure if their were no unions at GM, Ford and Chrysler everything would be just hunky dory!
Senior auto MGT has no long term vision. They (the Big 3) put all their eggs in 1 basket for the last 10 years, i.e The Big Pick up and SUV.
The UAW doesn't plan, manage or control anything. All they do is Assemble what MGT tells them to build.
While the Big 3 where cranking these gas guzzlers out (and yes they were popular the American family), Honda, Nissan and Toyota where marketing fuel quality efficent vehicles with Hybrid options.
The Big 3 made the same mistake in 1973 and 1979 when Gas skyrocketed to 50 cents/ 80 cents a gallon respectively. They like now, were caught with their pants down. All they offered were Big American V-8's, when Datsun and toyota and VW offered fuel efficent vehicles. Apparently they never learned from past mistakes. So this is the UAW's fault? Please...........
The Big 3 clearly have the ability to manufacture a quality fuel efficent vehicle but have chosen not to do so, and now they have to play catch up, just like 1973 and 1979.
Yeah I'm sure if their were no unions at GM, Ford and Chrysler everything would be just hunky dory!
11-22-2008, 06:37 PM
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UAW greed? The UAW has given, given and given more. (sound familiar just like Airline Labor) Their salaries are currently on par with non union assembly line workers at American Toyota, Honda and Nissan. Look at Japan's Auto CEO salaries.They are no where close to American CEO counterparts.
Senior auto MGT has no long term vision. They (the Big 3) put all their eggs in 1 basket for the last 10 years, i.e The Big Pick up and SUV.
The UAW doesn't plan, manage or control anything. All they do is Assemble what MGT tells them to build.
While the Big 3 where cranking these gas guzzlers out (and yes they were popular the American family), Honda, Nissan and Toyota where marketing fuel quality efficent vehicles with Hybrid options.
The Big 3 made the same mistake in 1973 and 1979 when Gas skyrocketed to 50 cents/ 80 cents a gallon respectively. They like now, were caught with their pants down. All they offered were Big American V-8's, when Datsun and toyota and VW offered fuel efficent vehicles. Apparently they never learned from past mistakes. So this is the UAW's fault? Please...........
The Big 3 clearly have the ability to manufacture a quality fuel efficent vehicle but have chosen not to do so, and now they have to play catch up, just like 1973 and 1979.
Yeah I'm sure if their were no unions at GM, Ford and Chrysler everything would be just hunky dory!
Senior auto MGT has no long term vision. They (the Big 3) put all their eggs in 1 basket for the last 10 years, i.e The Big Pick up and SUV.
The UAW doesn't plan, manage or control anything. All they do is Assemble what MGT tells them to build.
While the Big 3 where cranking these gas guzzlers out (and yes they were popular the American family), Honda, Nissan and Toyota where marketing fuel quality efficent vehicles with Hybrid options.
The Big 3 made the same mistake in 1973 and 1979 when Gas skyrocketed to 50 cents/ 80 cents a gallon respectively. They like now, were caught with their pants down. All they offered were Big American V-8's, when Datsun and toyota and VW offered fuel efficent vehicles. Apparently they never learned from past mistakes. So this is the UAW's fault? Please...........
The Big 3 clearly have the ability to manufacture a quality fuel efficent vehicle but have chosen not to do so, and now they have to play catch up, just like 1973 and 1979.
Yeah I'm sure if their were no unions at GM, Ford and Chrysler everything would be just hunky dory!
11-22-2008, 07:14 PM
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If this was a political forum, I would as you to substantiate your comments without a link to a right-wing blog. Since it is not and against this site's TOS, I won't.
11-22-2008, 08:16 PM
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Fdxlag,
Do you really think that it's the shareholders that give those gigantic bonuses to the heads of corporations? I believe that it's customary for a corporations BOD (board of directors) to approve the senior executive bonuses. And what makes it even worse, if something can actually be worse than paying executives huge bucks as bonuses, when the company that they are responsible to lead not only doesn't make money, but loses huge amounts, is that these board of directors are the original good-ole-boys-club. That's to say that executives from one company sit on the boards of other companies, while the execs from the other company sit on their boards. Probably not the way it's done at the Big 3, but you get the idea.
You also keep bringing up the $2500 per vehicle in union pensions and health care. While I agree that's a sizable amount, I'd venture to say that if Detroit had a history of producing quality, fuel efficient vehicles, for sale here in the United States, that a much greater segment of our citizenry would spend the money on these cars, and not look outside the country for their vehicles.
JJ
Do you really think that it's the shareholders that give those gigantic bonuses to the heads of corporations? I believe that it's customary for a corporations BOD (board of directors) to approve the senior executive bonuses. And what makes it even worse, if something can actually be worse than paying executives huge bucks as bonuses, when the company that they are responsible to lead not only doesn't make money, but loses huge amounts, is that these board of directors are the original good-ole-boys-club. That's to say that executives from one company sit on the boards of other companies, while the execs from the other company sit on their boards. Probably not the way it's done at the Big 3, but you get the idea.
You also keep bringing up the $2500 per vehicle in union pensions and health care. While I agree that's a sizable amount, I'd venture to say that if Detroit had a history of producing quality, fuel efficient vehicles, for sale here in the United States, that a much greater segment of our citizenry would spend the money on these cars, and not look outside the country for their vehicles.
JJ
11-22-2008, 10:07 PM
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All I gotta say is, if the Big 3 aren't bailed out, alot of people in the Part 135 On Demand Cargo industry are going to be out of a job because lets face it, that's all we haul is Tier 1, 2, and 3 auto parts. You know what, I'll include Part 121 with that as well.
11-23-2008, 04:18 AM
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Fixed it for ya de727ups
I think 23 million for a company that is losing money is stupid, but apparently the people who own the company don't. Don't worry Nancy will soon be telling everyone how much they can make and how much they can keep. But the 23 million is not why they can't sell cars to compete with Toyota, no matter who you get your news from.
Sure I would be ****ed if Fred milked the company and I lost my pension. Of course part of the blame would have to go on ALPA for letting it happen. It wouldn't change the fact that I would have to take a big hit in order to keep my job, so yes I would advocate lower pay and benefits to keep my job. Again I would be ****ed but that and $4 bucks will get you a gallon of gas after president BO raises the gas tax.
Now answer my question, what business model will allow GM to compete with $2500 legacy costs per vehicle and 75% higher hourly employment bennies?
I'll hum the Jeopardy theme while I wait.
Sure I would be ****ed if Fred milked the company and I lost my pension. Of course part of the blame would have to go on ALPA for letting it happen. It wouldn't change the fact that I would have to take a big hit in order to keep my job, so yes I would advocate lower pay and benefits to keep my job. Again I would be ****ed but that and $4 bucks will get you a gallon of gas after president BO raises the gas tax.
Now answer my question, what business model will allow GM to compete with $2500 legacy costs per vehicle and 75% higher hourly employment bennies?
I'll hum the Jeopardy theme while I wait.
So if Fred took a 30 mill. bonus and asked you to take cuts you would grumble and take it? You wouldn't tell them to go take a hike? Really?
As far as competing with Toyota...it's alot more than pension and health care. That's just one piece of the puzzle.
11-23-2008, 05:07 AM
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GM is not run by GM but by the UAW.
That's why the UAW is trying to be "helpfull" right now. They know that if GM has to file for a "pre-packaged" bankruptcy they will lose most of their power and will essential be the downfall of all unions. Someone mentioned dinosaurs, they just looked at the wrong one.
I lived in MI for many years, with many friends working for GM and/ or unions.
How would you like to clock in in the morning and go across the street have breakfast, some coffee, start playing cards and drink beer while getting paid? Day in, day out, everyday.
Why do you think GM has been making a crap product for many years?
Where can you find a company, where you can work as a drug addict and never get fired?
Where you can you work, where they create a job position for you, so you don't have to leave?
Where can you work, upgrade you even though their is no position and/or work for you?
GM has been merely in business the last 20 some years because of American Pride, not because they make a great product. Many many years ago they were a great company leading the world in many ways. They just never upgraded their business model to what is happening in the world. That will be downfall, but GM won't disappear, it will be owned by Europeans and Asians.
That's why the UAW is trying to be "helpfull" right now. They know that if GM has to file for a "pre-packaged" bankruptcy they will lose most of their power and will essential be the downfall of all unions. Someone mentioned dinosaurs, they just looked at the wrong one.
I lived in MI for many years, with many friends working for GM and/ or unions.
How would you like to clock in in the morning and go across the street have breakfast, some coffee, start playing cards and drink beer while getting paid? Day in, day out, everyday.
Why do you think GM has been making a crap product for many years?
Where can you find a company, where you can work as a drug addict and never get fired?
Where you can you work, where they create a job position for you, so you don't have to leave?
Where can you work, upgrade you even though their is no position and/or work for you?
GM has been merely in business the last 20 some years because of American Pride, not because they make a great product. Many many years ago they were a great company leading the world in many ways. They just never upgraded their business model to what is happening in the world. That will be downfall, but GM won't disappear, it will be owned by Europeans and Asians.
11-23-2008, 05:20 AM
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When I flew in MI, we got called out of FNT for a trip in a LJ to drop of few boxes of parts in MFE. We dropped of the freight and went to have some lunch.
Get called an hour later to go to BRO for a pick-up going to PTK. We waited for the freight in BRO, when I recognized the driver dropping it off. It was the same driver that had picked up our freight earlier. It happened to be the same amount of boxes and weight.
Yup it is true, we had just picked up the exact same freight we had dropped of 2 hours earlier. We had just flown 2500 miles, because GM couldn't control their inventory. That wasn't just an incident. They have gotten better, but a long way away from where they should be.
Get called an hour later to go to BRO for a pick-up going to PTK. We waited for the freight in BRO, when I recognized the driver dropping it off. It was the same driver that had picked up our freight earlier. It happened to be the same amount of boxes and weight.
Yup it is true, we had just picked up the exact same freight we had dropped of 2 hours earlier. We had just flown 2500 miles, because GM couldn't control their inventory. That wasn't just an incident. They have gotten better, but a long way away from where they should be.
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