W0XOFF

Agree 100% with what you said. I left when Jorge Boosh called me a 'Vigilante'. Should have withdrawn support when you did. What a pitiful excuse for a leader. Only consolation: better than AlGore or John F-ing.

Just a little clarification for clarification's sake.

There is NOTHING 'Democratic' about the 'Democrat Party'. It is widely being called 'the Democratic Party' in error . . when, in truth it is the 'Democrat Party'. It is the party of the Democrats . .not the Democratics. And it's NOT my mother's Party any more Hold onto your shorts, it is going to be a long, painful slide into Socialism.

bluejuice

You've been a member here since 11/06 (24 months) and have made 2,102 posts since. That equates to 87.6 posts per month, or 2.9 posts per day.

Out of all of those stats, this is BY FAR the dumbest statement you've made. You really need to step away from the computer and get a life.

FDXLAG

Thanks, your opinion and $4 will get you a gallon of gas after President BO raises the gas tax.

Please be more specific; what would be the appropriate response when answering a dumb question like: what would you do if fred ran the company into the ground. He didn't give me multiple choice. My answer was basically make the best of it and move on. You have another option?

hyperone

I have a different perspective on the government's ability to manage any of the bailout money that has been set aside. After all, a lot of the same folks are still in place, who were around back in 1990. That's when the US Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel outside of Reno for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed within a couple of years and it was forced to close.

Now we're trusting the economy of our country to essentially the same pack of nit-wits who couldn't make money running a wh*re house and a bar selling booze?

Yeah, this is gonna work out just great.

BrownClown

Dumb question? Really? Why is that dumb? Essentially, the same thing is going on in Detroit. I don't have a plan for how to bail out the auto companies. Nor do I have an answer as to how to compete with the Japanese companies regarding what it costs per car with pension and health care costs. I'm just a pilot.
Please show me where in any post I said the UAW was in the right? I don't agree with what they get paid. I'm sure they don't agree with what we get paid. It's what's been negotiated. So if management signs an agreement at any company and they go under because they can't compete; well, that's capitalism isn't it?
I just call a spade a spade. And you still haven't answered my questions. I guess I'll make assumptions like you do...you must thing that corporate greed, mismanagement, and golden parachutes are okay.

Doodoodoodoo, doodoodoo, dodadadada....

FDXLAG

Um look at post number 60; I highlighted my answers to make it easier for you. Do you have other questions you want answered? It does not matter what I think of greed, mismanagement, and golden parachutes. It matters what the stockholders think. But for the record I am against mismanagement and golden parachutes. Greed makes the world go round. I am glad we can agree to put a little blame on the UAW. Now I can delete all but my first and last post in this thread and make blue juice happy by lowering my daily post average to 2.687.

BrownClown

So then UAW's greed is okay then if it makes the world go 'round.

Sideshow Bob

That is a great example to use regarding how well the government can run a for profit business. The short answer is that it's a foreign concept to them, and thanks to practices like baseline budgeting it will remain a foreign concept. When I first started flight instructing, the owner of the flight school was an old C46 driver in WWII, who after the war got into CA real estate and used car lots. He got bored with that and opened a flight school where he was an incredible salesman, lining up students for everybody. The guy could have sold ice makers to Eskimos. At first I was a bit ham handed at selling, so he showed me and everybody else the fine art of sales. Point is, after watching me screw it up a couple times he said "...kid, you couldn't sell p*ssy in a lumber camp..." Well, that reminds me of this mess. This is just the second of what will amount to a monthly crisis that Barry & Rahm will sell to an increasingly freaked out public. Which industry will have the next crisis, which can only be solved by the government taking over?

Place your bets.

nightfreight

This is an interesting topic, and we might be discussing our companies fate in the future. Bottomline is that if the autos want to succeed, they need to slash wages, both union and management. This of course includes huge management bonuses and golden parachutes. They need to renegotiate with their suppliers and find any means available to cut costs.

Now, if they can succeed in cost cutting (doubtful), will that ensure their success? I don't think so. They need to revamp their product lines, reduce redundant dealerships, and hopefully make something that we want to buy.

I don't think it matters whose fault it is. If they want the company to survive, they all need to tighten their belts. What they need to survive is government money. They may not get any if they can't get their act together.

RedeyeAV8r

UAW greed? The UAW has given, given and given more. (sound familiar just like Airline Labor) Their salaries are currently on par with non union assembly line workers at American Toyota, Honda and Nissan. Look at Japan's Auto CEO salaries.They are no where close to American CEO counterparts.

Senior auto MGT has no long term vision. They (the Big 3) put all their eggs in 1 basket for the last 10 years, i.e The Big Pick up and SUV.
The UAW doesn't plan, manage or control anything. All they do is Assemble what MGT tells them to build.

While the Big 3 where cranking these gas guzzlers out (and yes they were popular the American family), Honda, Nissan and Toyota where marketing fuel quality efficent vehicles with Hybrid options.

The Big 3 made the same mistake in 1973 and 1979 when Gas skyrocketed to 50 cents/ 80 cents a gallon respectively. They like now, were caught with their pants down. All they offered were Big American V-8's, when Datsun and toyota and VW offered fuel efficent vehicles. Apparently they never learned from past mistakes. So this is the UAW's fault? Please...........

The Big 3 clearly have the ability to manufacture a quality fuel efficent vehicle but have chosen not to do so, and now they have to play catch up, just like 1973 and 1979.

Yeah I'm sure if their were no unions at GM, Ford and Chrysler everything would be just hunky dory!