FLASH message! FedEx crewmember beaten in Paris
10-22-2008, 05:03 AM
#51
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I agree with you completely, but find it befuddling that the company only provided you a jumpseat, instead of an airline ticket home. That, especially in light of the following paragraph from our contract 14.B.4: Ill or Injured During a Trip
A pilot who becomes ill or injured away from base during a trip shall earn trip guarantee for the entire trip plus actual accumulated overage, if any. He shall be charged sick leave, commencing with the next showtime following his sick call, for the remaining value of his trip. A pilot who becomes ill or injured while away from his base on Company duty shall be provided with proper medical attention, including hospitalization, when required. The Company shall provide transportation, when the pilot is able to travel, back to his base, or at the pilot’s option, to his residence provided that the travel cost is limited to the travel cost of returning to base. A pilot whose placement on sick leave causes him to return to base later than scheduled shall not accrue additional CH for that late return.
I would assume that when the contract talks about travel cost, it assumes a commercial ticket, not a jumpseat. Does anyone see it differently?
JJ
A pilot who becomes ill or injured away from base during a trip shall earn trip guarantee for the entire trip plus actual accumulated overage, if any. He shall be charged sick leave, commencing with the next showtime following his sick call, for the remaining value of his trip. A pilot who becomes ill or injured while away from his base on Company duty shall be provided with proper medical attention, including hospitalization, when required. The Company shall provide transportation, when the pilot is able to travel, back to his base, or at the pilot’s option, to his residence provided that the travel cost is limited to the travel cost of returning to base. A pilot whose placement on sick leave causes him to return to base later than scheduled shall not accrue additional CH for that late return.
I would assume that when the contract talks about travel cost, it assumes a commercial ticket, not a jumpseat. Does anyone see it differently?
JJ
Just relating how my experience shaped my opinion! 
10-22-2008, 05:19 AM
#52
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If that's the case, assuming our injured Captain was told by the airlines, that he'd not be allowed to fly commercially, and FedEx, when asked, offered to get him home via jumpseat, thereby disregarding their own (and our) contract, wouldn't that be a good thing? Again, the issue here is that, as usual, we don't know all the particulars of the situation.
JJ
JJ
I'm sure it was not a comfortable ride home for him. My only concern is that the operating crew are not trained to operate as an air ambulance service and what liabilities do they expose themselves to if something happened to a jumpseater, like this, if complications occurred, a diversion is required, egress required, etc., especially in light of the fact that the flight was met by an ambulance in MEM. Just a lot of extra "what ifs" for a Capt to consider before taking someone this injured/hurt on a jumpseat! This is no way a criticism of the crew that took him, but it would be a very difficult decision for me. I would have asked a whole lot of questions, as I'm sure this crew probably did.
Just sayin'
10-22-2008, 07:01 AM
#53
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No one knows what was offered or what was asked of the airlines. There really wasn't much time between when the company found out and the time he was picked up to report to CDG ops for the jumpseat - maybe 5-6 hrs! He was home in MEM before the airlines would have left Europe. I assume he opted for the jumpseat, himself, to get home as soon as possible, which is what we'd all want - to be home!
I'm sure it was not a comfortable ride home for him. My only concern is that the operating crew are not trained to operate as an air ambulance service and what liabilities do they expose themselves to if something happened to a jumpseater, like this, if complications occurred, a diversion is required, egress required, etc., especially in light of the fact that the flight was met by an ambulance in MEM. Just a lot of extra "what ifs" for a Capt to consider before taking someone this injured/hurt on a jumpseat! This is no way a criticism of the crew that took him, but it would be a very difficult decision for me. I would have asked a whole lot of questions, as I'm sure this crew probably did.
Just sayin'
I'm sure it was not a comfortable ride home for him. My only concern is that the operating crew are not trained to operate as an air ambulance service and what liabilities do they expose themselves to if something happened to a jumpseater, like this, if complications occurred, a diversion is required, egress required, etc., especially in light of the fact that the flight was met by an ambulance in MEM. Just a lot of extra "what ifs" for a Capt to consider before taking someone this injured/hurt on a jumpseat! This is no way a criticism of the crew that took him, but it would be a very difficult decision for me. I would have asked a whole lot of questions, as I'm sure this crew probably did.
Just sayin'
JJ
10-22-2008, 07:53 AM
#54
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Capt K may not have wanted to walk through the airport, check in, board, sit in first class all while having his head swollen up twice it's normal size, with bruises and bandages covering his face. Personally, in that condition I'd rather go through our ops and catch a jumpseat with some familiar faces than go via the pax side. That's assuming I wasn't going to turn into a medical emergency at 30W of course.
10-22-2008, 08:23 AM
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Capt K may not have wanted to walk through the airport, check in, board, sit in first class all while having his head swollen up twice it's normal size, with bruises and bandages covering his face. Personally, in that condition I'd rather go through our ops and catch a jumpseat with some familiar faces than go via the pax side. That's assuming I wasn't going to turn into a medical emergency at 30W of course.
10-22-2008, 02:54 PM
#56
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Hey, Cliffy,
Wasn't the "attack on crewmember in Indy hotel" actually pay back from a hooker and her pimp that wanted a little more than a tip?
What was the attack on a crewmember in the parking lot? Haven't heard that one. Seems we have to read this board to keep up with security.
Wasn't the "attack on crewmember in Indy hotel" actually pay back from a hooker and her pimp that wanted a little more than a tip?
What was the attack on a crewmember in the parking lot? Haven't heard that one. Seems we have to read this board to keep up with security.
10-22-2008, 04:19 PM
#57
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This just in....rumor only. Apparently, Foxhunter was attacked at 0530 while enjoying his Senior Super Slam at a layover Denny's!!! Details are sketchy but they are holding a 86 year old Jewish gentleman who said "The schmuck stole me USA Today". To add insult to injury, Gertrude the waitress is reported to have poured hot coffee on him while he was on the ground being beaten by the Jewish gentleman. Her story, "3 straight days of 25c tips, phooey on him!" Lets all pray for a speedy recovery!!
10-22-2008, 04:46 PM
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Whoa!!!!!!
Aeris---I'm far from being the most politically correct guy, but you might want to re-evaluate your thinking, and statements. I am not sure what the ethnic background had to do with your tongue-in-cheek newsflash, but combined with the casual way you throw the term Hitler around, you aren't painting a pretty picture of yourself.
It would have been funny if you had said 86 year old F-street Waitress, or aging French street thug,.....but instead, it just seems ugly
It would have been funny if you had said 86 year old F-street Waitress, or aging French street thug,.....but instead, it just seems ugly
10-22-2008, 05:04 PM
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Aeris---I'm far from being the most politically correct guy, but you might want to re-evaluate your thinking, and statements. I am not sure what the ethnic background had to do with your tongue-in-cheek newsflash, but combined with the casual way you throw the term Hitler around, you aren't painting a pretty picture of yourself.
It would have been funny if you had said 86 year old F-street Waitress, or aging French street thug,.....but instead, it just seems ugly
It would have been funny if you had said 86 year old F-street Waitress, or aging French street thug,.....but instead, it just seems ugly
10-22-2008, 05:07 PM
#60
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The Company took care of this guy and got him home. And that's the bottom line. The've done it before for one of my friends and I hope I'm never unlucky enough to need a favor. I can't believe some of you guys would second guess helping a crew member in need.
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