captain_drew

Nightflyer,

If I had a vote, I would be lined up in your corner.

Nothing. . nada. .zero. . zip . .zilch. . UNTIL they wrap it up and incorporate it into an acceptable TA. You give them the LOA now . .what the heck is their motivation to press on with a TA?

I hope you guys are also concentrating on retirement issues. Believe it or not . . it is coming up . .fast . . for everyone. With luck, you will live many more years in retirement than you did working for a living.

RedeyeAV8r

We have been wanting a move package to ANC for as long as I can remember. Remember the company only wanted this for 1 bid which we wisely turned down. This LOA makes it a permanent deal.

Pilots will get full paid move up back as long as they remain activated in ANC for 36 months and live there for a minimum of 18 months. Every Pilot currently up there will rate a move to the lower 48 when they bid out(assuming they have be activated in ANC for 36 months and have lived there 18 months)

Retiring Pilots will get a paid move to there Sunbelt homes when they retire.
(Costs not to exceed the value of an ANC to MEM move)

Where is the real downside?
I wish there was a crash pad move and I wish there was a 1 month of base pay move allowance.

Again my question to you is............if the company put out a mega bid Today with most of the vacancies in ANC, do you really think they wouldn't get filled? and there would be NO move benefits.

My opinion on this LOA is we would be getting something and give up nothing. We have NO move benefits to ANC currently.

Just curious, what is the downside.............Yeah I know we want a TA now but this would be a permanent benefit received today.

Nightflyer

Unless I am wrong, which is possible, the downside is that the LOA is attached to the current contract, with no guarantee of being in the final TA.

So here's how it works...

1) LOA is passed.

2) Company puts out ANC bid and fills all vacancies.

3) Back to the table for the TA.

4) Company says, "we will let the guys in the bid and the current guys in ANC get a move package, but we don't want it as a permanent benefit in the new TA". Or, "you can have this in the TA, but what will you give up for it?". If you think I am crazy, check the cost of your copays, when you were promised by the company and the union that "health care costs would remain constant for the length of the contract." Fool me once, shame on you...you know how the rest of it goes. Trust but verify.

Call me cynical, I call it realistic. Did we learn nothing last time around?

By the way, Redeye, are you ANC based? That would tell me a lot about your reasoning behind your position!

Seriously, I want the ANC guys to get a move. If I could get my wife to live up there, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I want it as part of a TA, not as an LOA. Just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours.

Nightflyer

Thanks for your support, Captain Drew, and I wish you many happy years of retirement on Fred's nickel!!!

captain_drew

I have been thinking that living to 116 (and still riding a Harley) would be the best revenge for all the hose-jobbing and back stabbing by Fred. Of course, his kids being felons is a good start

RedeyeAV8r

Actually I am MEM based.

Niteflyer if this LOA is passed it is permanent until we get a new contract....................

Why not vote yes for this LOA (based on its merit if you think it is a gain)

I would hope that the Negotoiating committee would not send us a TA that does not have this incorporated in.......................but if the TA that we will eventually vote on does not have this incorporated........you will have the option of voting no then.........................

I am not trying to change your mind................MY point is that if it is a good thing for the Pilots what do you have to lose?

I say it again..........If the company put out a mega bid tomorrow with 100 CPT/ 140 FO vacancies to ANC do you really think they would go unfilled?

Twiceskunkeddog

I was kinda hoping that newhires would end up going...

But that's just me..

TSD

RedeyeAV8r

Why would you want newhires in the MD?
Nothing against newhires and I don't blame them for bidding the highest paying equipment they can hold.

I am curious as to your reasoning (seniority aside)......................

hopefully atleast they will get a move package up there if they do.

Ranger

We can stop wondering why the LOA wasn't accepted. The union just put out a letter stating that we have reached tentative agreement on a LOA regarding ANC moves. Next comes the membership vote on acceptance/rejection. I'll vote the way that the negotiating committee recommends.

I'm up to six (6) draft calls since Friday evening. Apparently the LAX crews aren't too inclined to give up their days off. Me included.

"The only draft that I'll accept comes in a tall, frosty glass." I don't know who said it originally but it's my battle cry now.

FR8Hauler

Dito "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" The negotiating committee claims it did not cost anything to us...