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Old 10-04-2008, 07:21 AM
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Where does this come from? I know schedules can tell if you're logged on but I don't believe they can tell what pages you've viewed and which ones you haven 't.

I have watched a friend with "scheduler level" Vips access pull up my employee number and show me the pages I visited on my last Vips access. They were all listed by their web address, i.e. Webcal for Calender, webdd for open time, etc. It's no myth!
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Old 10-04-2008, 07:33 AM
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Where does this come from? I know schedules can tell if you're logged on but I don't believe they can tell what pages you've viewed and which ones you haven 't. Additionally, there's nothing in the contract that says viewing your calendar is considered notification.

Has anyone ever been told they were considered notified because they viewed their calendar or is this just another urban myth?
YES! A matter of fact I had to go see an ACP because of such a situation. They know when you logon and can trace every page you go to while logged on. If called on the carpet, be honest about it and take your lumps. Luckily, the ACP was a good guy and it turned out okay, but it certainly opened my eyes.

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Old 10-04-2008, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Fedex999999
You can check your calendar first, but consider yourself "notified" if there is a trip there. They can tell that you logged on and looked up your calendar, even though you didn't click on "crew notifications."
Not necessarily true.


Under the scheduling FAQ that use to be the website, but since been taken down by the lawyers. It said something like 'notification occurs when called and assigned by a scheduler, or clicking the acknowledge button on a crew notification'

But they can definitely see every keystroke, button click you do the company system.
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:07 AM
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So here's my new idea. I'm going to start a consulting business. A very specialized business that only deals with finding out if a FedEx pilot, has been assigned a trip. Here's how it will work... You call me and I check your calendar to see if they've actually had the nerve to make you work for the money that they pay you. If indeed they've assigned you a trip, I immediately call you back with the appropriate information. Then, once a month, I bill you, say a couple of bucks, for the convenience of having someone else check your schedule for you, and thereby providing you with a plausible deniability. Yeah, that's what I'll do from now on.

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Old 10-04-2008, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by USNFDX
Not necessarily true.


Under the scheduling FAQ that use to be the website, but since been taken down by the lawyers. It said something like 'notification occurs when called and assigned by a scheduler, or clicking the acknowledge button on a crew notification'

But they can definitely see every keystroke, button click you do the company system.

I think the big question here is whether or not skeds has to call you if you simply looked at your trip vs. clicking on the notification. Until I get a "you are now notified" of the trip, then I'm not. If I haven't clicked on the link, then doesn't crew skeds have to call me if I'm on reserve? Ignore the call, then sure, you're in trouble. Otherwise, I don't see what the big deal is.
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
So here's my new idea. I'm going to start a consulting business. A very specialized business that only deals with finding out if a FedEx pilot, has been assigned a trip. Here's how it will work... You call me and I check your calendar to see if they've actually had the nerve to make you work for the money that they pay you. If indeed they've assigned you a trip, I immediately call you back with the appropriate information. Then, once a month, I bill you, say a couple of bucks, for the convenience of having someone else check your schedule for you, and thereby providing you with a plausible deniability. Yeah, that's what I'll do from now on.

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I think that's a great plan for your retirement!
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Old 10-06-2008, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Fedex999999
You can check your calendar first, but consider yourself "notified" if there is a trip there. They can tell that you logged on and looked up your calendar, even though you didn't click on "crew notifications."
I'm sorry, but this does NOT constitute trip notification! (I know I've heard that somewhere before, but can't seem to remember where. )
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Old 10-06-2008, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
So here's my new idea. I'm going to start a consulting business. A very specialized business that only deals with finding out if a FedEx pilot, has been assigned a trip. Here's how it will work... You call me and I check your calendar to see if they've actually had the nerve to make you work for the money that they pay you. If indeed they've assigned you a trip, I immediately call you back with the appropriate information. Then, once a month, I bill you, say a couple of bucks, for the convenience of having someone else check your schedule for you, and thereby providing you with a plausible deniability. Yeah, that's what I'll do from now on.

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I can show an example of why you want to check your calendar first and NOT click Crew Notification!

Last Dec, 5 days prior to Christmas, my B727 SO crashpad roomie, on B reserve with 5 days left, had just told me that he appeared clear and free for the day as all trips had been assigned and he was number 5 on the list. It was about 1pm.

An hour or so later he was p!ssed off as could be. He rechecked VIPS and saw a Crew Notification and clicked it. He had been assigned a 5 day trip that had a midnightish show time, 3 legged it and ended up in Portland, ME at about 930a. It returned to MEM at midnight Christmas Eve. Not a great place to spend Christmas for a commuter.

By clicking the Crew Notification and officially being notified, a legal rest period then ensued and the assigned trip was his. If he had NOT clicked on the trip, then the onus was on CRS to call him and if THEY forgot (a possibility) or were late, then that trip may not have been legal for him to accept per the contract and reserve assignment.

Of course his sponsor, cough, cough RT, cough cough, let him down by telling him previously that if you have a Crew Notification that you can do nothing in VIPS until you accept it. I fixed him!
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:12 AM
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Of course his sponsor, cough, cough RT, cough cough, let him down by telling him previously that if you have a Crew Notification that you can do nothing in VIPS until you accept it. I fixed him!
Not true, your bed partner likes to blame me for everything. Glad to see you two are still together.
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:58 AM
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Not true, your bed partner likes to blame me for everything. Glad to see you two are still together.
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First, we don't even share a room! Second, he does blame you for a lot of stuff. Fortunately, I only believe about 75% of it!
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