⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

Spoken like a true leader who looks out for all pilots - yes even the 'untouchables' - the junior guys/gals - Salty for Prez!!!

HDawg

[QUOTE=Busboy;469343]Thank you. Your optimism is like a breath of fresh air. Like a breath of fresh air right out of a rhinoceros' butt.[/QUOTE

Come on, did you honestly think the company was going to pay us A380 rates for the 777 when no mention of the 777 is in the contract, we are "over manned",and we get an extra five years of pay that the union fought for and the company was against?

Read between the lines from recent ALPA emails...the company will not spend an extra dollar on pilot pay no matter what.

Haywood JB

Yeah, but they are going to be paying a ton when the over sixty crowd mans the top spots in both seats so they can't bid together. It will trigger P/O for someone I'm sure.

LivingInMEM

While I believe the company will disregard a contract at will, how are they violating the contract here? The old contract said "A-380", not super-widebody or ultra-long range pay.

MD10PLT

Shack.

The company will do as they please and there is nothing we can do about it. Our fearless leaders set the standard during the last contract and LOA negotiations.

Dadof6

Time is money. If the company negotiator had agreed to 777 pay rate = 380 rate when the first week of negotiations had concluded, super. That is what EVERYONE expected/was led to believe would happen when the 777 "replaced" the 380. That time has come & gone. Time for the price to go up. Oh...sorry...just took a trip to the Bahamas for a minute...I'm back now. Absolutely, positively hope there weren't any "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" ex-partite handshake deals by the new 777 trainees outside the NC process.

Micro

Yes you're right they didn't "violate" the contract this time but they have before on other items that we had to force them to do. This time they "violated" what I believe is the intent and all their statements that the 777 is the REPLACEMENT to the 380. They had planned and are going to use the 777 to do the same flying that the 380 was going to do. I don't blame the company for fighting the pay issue (the contract does say 380 vice 777). I blame BC and the NC knowing that this was going to happen, NOT fixing it in the contract, and then he and DW Bullsh!tting us at hub meeting etc, that it was "a done deal". Once again the union has led us down the "rosy" path with our "cordial business approach" with the company while the company stuffs it up our backside.

All I see us learning out of this is that we had better have what we want EXACTLY spelled out in our next contract. NO more intents or we've agreed that "it" means this or we'll be scr*wed once again.

Wildmanny

Simple fix: Nobody bids the 777 until the pay rates are up.

Chances of that: Zero

WM

Piloto Noche

Wow, you are a REAL rocket-scientist! I'm betting you are a math major too!
I'm talking about pay RATES. But go ahead and bid it. I know you have it in your standing bid anyway. So does everyone else.

Huck

I'm not sure how fired up you expect us to be.

They did a "stealth bid" and the most junior 777 first officer was 600 numbers from the top.

In short: it will be an aircraft for those who choose to stay from 60 to 65. They'll find a way around the ICAO rule - they're already working on it.

So... I won't be flying it. Probably ever. How fired up should I be about negotiating yet another benefit to the old guys?