SaltyDog

As a junior Capt myself, I am glad we got that fixed. It was an irritant to unity. Again, I am damaged because I (heresy) believe I make enough in the market, (yes it has declined) I prefer quality lifestyle over more dollars. Give me top rate medical, clean lines, B plan..... Certainly we all want more money, but I don't want to unfairly benefit over another demographic of the pilot group (Capt or F/O) since we as a union divides and I really lose then.
I was dissappointed with our givebacks though. I don't hear many Capts complain, 757 (I believe) is very senior Capt. But any crewmember can go to ANC and nearly double up on money.<g>

757upspilot

We gave up the opportunity to keep the smaller airplane on the property, I would prefer to see anything that moves a UPS box flown by a UPS pilot on the seniority list.

Micro

This whole 380=777 pay mess just highlights that the company will "violate" the contract, its intent, or other company propaganda ("the 777 is the replacement for the 380") when they see fit unless and the union should NOT say otherwise unless the contract says it in stone (no 777 rates in the contract. The ONLY way to get the "promised" pay rate is for the union (its members) to force the company to pay it through its (the union) action.

I guess we'll have to see what our other options are and if the crew-force will support them. However, after "our support" on the LOA votes, DP flying, and HKG bidding, I hold out NO hope. The company will dictate to us anytime they wish.

FDXLAG

Given the time value of money I have always thought holding off the good pay till the end was stupid. Individual pilots would be better off if we were all paid the same throughout our career (with annual raises). An extra dollar to a new hire probably means a lot more than $10 does to a wide body capt. Although implementing that would certainly hose the senior bubbas. UPS seems to have a nice compromise. Fedex is better than Delta. I would love to see who we $crewed for those A380 pay rates.

CactusCrew

And our most JUNIOR folks are flying the newest wide-body ... oh yeah, it is in ANC !

So just the opposite has happened, the most juniot get bumped on to the wide-body, which is ironic to say the least.

If we had wide-body pay, ANC would not be as junior as it is. And I actually think training events would decrease. IMHO anyway ...

757upspilot

Run the numbers.

We pay more for the medical.
The pay increases that occur annually don't pace inflation, put these two together and you have a purchasing power decrease.
Clean lines, all we did was rearrange the misery.

If you haven't noticed we are divided now, more that I have ever seen, so badly that if it doesn't change between now and the next contract we will get screwed big time.

The ANC program was so messed up that we had FO's on domestic going as MD Catains and the FAA jumping up and down about experience level to the point that we started raiding Cathay Pacific for FO'S to satify the FAA.

Gunter

UPS sounds a lot like FDX. Just replace ANC with HKG. Welcome to our world.

SaltyDog

I agree with everything you say except the disunity is more apathy except for a few vocal few. Reason I voted No. However, I was glad to see F/O pay go up. That is probably our only disagreement really <g> .

Sorry for thread hijack, Purpose of my original comment was to opine that Fedex pilots could find similiarity in benefits for same pay rate for 777 as a 757 driver if all were paid at MD-11 rates etc.

2cylinderdriver

2. If the Company introduces B737 and/or B757 aircraft, those
aircraft will be considered narrow body aircraft.
3. A-380 pay rates are as provided in Section 3.

Any questions who was screwed ?

AFW_MD11

Correct me if I'm wrong, but......

1) still no payrate established for the 777

2) the company can put the 777 into service at whatever payrate they want

3) if they do #2, then, according to the CBA section 26.K. when the company and the union finally do agree on a payrate, it will be applied retroactively

4) also according to 26.K. if the parties have initiated "conferences" and they haven't resulted in an agreement - after 30 days, the issue goes to a System Board (made up of an equal # of company and union members plus a "neutral" arbitrator)

5) the decision of the System Board is imposed on both parties and applied retroactively

so.....my question is.......where are we now in that process?

are we just having "friendly discussions" with the company? (which don't seem to be going anywhere) or have we elevated it to the level of "official conferences"?

and, shouldn't the System Board be the next step?

does convening a System Board favor either side on this issue?

eventually, doesn't there have to be a rate set and agreed to by both parties?