777 Pay= Airbus Pay FDX
09-27-2008, 08:28 AM
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09-27-2008, 08:32 AM
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The tiered pay scale by aircraft type is a tradition. It is supposed to ensure the most senior maintain a pay premium over the less senior. A reward for years of service, I guess.
At FDX, it's a concept closely related to the protection of carryover.
Tradition is strong in the Navy, I mean FDX.
At FDX, it's a concept closely related to the protection of carryover.
Tradition is strong in the Navy, I mean FDX.
09-27-2008, 08:34 AM
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09-27-2008, 08:42 AM
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IF UPS wants to start flying RJs w/ cargo doors (think BAE 146s in Europe....) That's fine. Pay me the same to fly them. Don't subcontract them or buy the little company that flies them if/when it violates Scope. Don't make any mistakes the legacy airlines made. Any way you spell it, it's a loaded question so I give you a loaded reply. 
09-27-2008, 08:53 AM
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IF UPS wants to start flying RJs w/ cargo doors (think BAE 146s in Europe....) That's fine. Pay me the same to fly them. Don't subcontract them or buy the little company that flies them if/when it violates Scope. Don't make any mistakes the legacy airlines made. Any way you spell it, it's a loaded question so I give you a loaded reply.
The mistake the majors made was trying to get the small airplane pay to the large airplane pay disregarding the revenue production.
This started when the DC-9 grew from the -10 to the -50 and the pilots wanted the same pay .
You have a differential pay structure to allow the smaller airplane to remain in the fleet so that a pilot has the opportunity to get on the ladder, the group has an array of choices. The expansion of the Commuter(now called regional) was a response to costs
09-27-2008, 08:54 AM
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o.k.
Give us some background. What is your perspective? FO or CA? That colors your opinions.
The senior bubbas often work to protect or enhance their pay at the expense of the junior bubbas. Frankly, I am amazed the IPA negotiated such a junior member friendly contract. I've only heard irritation from the senior guys who feel THEIR money is being given to the juniority.
Give us some background. What is your perspective? FO or CA? That colors your opinions.
The senior bubbas often work to protect or enhance their pay at the expense of the junior bubbas. Frankly, I am amazed the IPA negotiated such a junior member friendly contract. I've only heard irritation from the senior guys who feel THEIR money is being given to the juniority.
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09-27-2008, 09:03 AM
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Give us some background. What is your perspective. FO or CA? That colors your opinions.
The senior bubbas always want to protect or enhance their pay at the expense of the junior bubbas. Frankly, I am amazed the IPA negotiated such a junior member friendly contract. I've only heard irritation from the senior guys who feel THEIR money is being given to the juniority.
Give us some background. What is your perspective. FO or CA? That colors your opinions.
The senior bubbas always want to protect or enhance their pay at the expense of the junior bubbas. Frankly, I am amazed the IPA negotiated such a junior member friendly contract. I've only heard irritation from the senior guys who feel THEIR money is being given to the juniority.
From what you have posted you are a retired mil coming to the airlines business and willing to accept less pay for the pilots who have spent a career so that you can sit in back and collect your retirement and a pay check.
The IPA was disfunctional , at the EB level, as per the mediator and our Ex Marine Corp General President. The contract passed with a percentage in the 56% range.
09-27-2008, 09:09 AM
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I don't know what the right answer is, but the contract you guys got is friendlier toward those hired older than the past contract. I see benefits to both. In an environment with slow or non-existent upgrades, counting on pay increases due to relative seniority will not bring home the bacon over the course of a career like it used to.
And, no, I'm not collecting a retirement check.
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