FDX - Expect FO SIBA soon in HKG...
09-17-2008, 11:11 PM
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I've always understood that to be the definition of torque.....
I am also beginning to believe AFW's other nom de guerre is "open mind"
09-18-2008, 04:30 AM
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09-18-2008, 05:37 AM
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1) how does the company electing to use SIBA instead of STV (vol or non-vol) equate to the pilot group having leverage now?
2) everyone on here is touting SIBA as a much better deal for the pilots and a much worse thing for the company - so, why would the company chose SIBA over STV if they had either option at their disposal?
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1) how does the company electing to use SIBA instead of STV (vol or non-vol) equate to the pilot group having leverage now?
2) everyone on here is touting SIBA as a much better deal for the pilots and a much worse thing for the company - so, why would the company chose SIBA over STV if they had either option at their disposal?
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While the company does have STV for a short period of time (...I believe it's the first 18 to 24 months after a new FDA opens), and that's most likely cheaper than SIBA --- they are on record stating they wouldn't use STV to cover unbid vacancies in the FDA.
I think it is surprising to most of us that they are choosing to use SIBA before trying to use STV --- perhaps they are concerned about their credibility.
If so --- great!!
The level of brinksmanship was way too high during the first LOA vote.
It was clear we weren't going to get a gold or platinum LOA --- but the union could have held out for a silver or bronze version.
The current low-housing allowance, no COLA, no schooling, 1000lb shipping allowance, LOA is still well below what FDX pilots deserve.
09-18-2008, 08:37 AM
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my yes vote is well documented on this forum.....what's your point in asking?
MY point in replying to this thread was to point out that even the super-duper smart, crystal ball reading 32%-ers were wrong about SIBA and STV.
the 32%-ers said that by voting yes, we gave up the leverage that SIBA could have brought us - and now there's SIBA.
the 32%-ers ranted over and over again the mantra of how the company would impose non-vol STV the first opportunity they got since we, the stupid 68%-ers, gave them that weapon to use against us by voting yes on LOA 1 - "hell no, we won't go!!"
well......what do ya know? the company has unbelievably (so far) kept their word by NOT using STV to fill vacancies not bid. they have also chosen to use SIBA even though we gave away that "leverage".
if the 32%-ers were/are 100% correct about everything - as they/you all claim, then why would the company be planning SIBA instead of just jamming STV up our collective orifices?
maybe, just maybe, y'all don't actually have EVERYTHING figured out exactly.....maybe?
and for MD11Hog, I don't drink koolaid - whether it's being offered by the company, the union, or on here by the "proponents of hysteria"
i try to think for myself and seek the opinion/guidance of those i respect.
MY point in replying to this thread was to point out that even the super-duper smart, crystal ball reading 32%-ers were wrong about SIBA and STV.
the 32%-ers said that by voting yes, we gave up the leverage that SIBA could have brought us - and now there's SIBA.
the 32%-ers ranted over and over again the mantra of how the company would impose non-vol STV the first opportunity they got since we, the stupid 68%-ers, gave them that weapon to use against us by voting yes on LOA 1 - "hell no, we won't go!!"
well......what do ya know? the company has unbelievably (so far) kept their word by NOT using STV to fill vacancies not bid. they have also chosen to use SIBA even though we gave away that "leverage".
if the 32%-ers were/are 100% correct about everything - as they/you all claim, then why would the company be planning SIBA instead of just jamming STV up our collective orifices?
maybe, just maybe, y'all don't actually have EVERYTHING figured out exactly.....maybe?
and for MD11Hog, I don't drink koolaid - whether it's being offered by the company, the union, or on here by the "proponents of hysteria"
i try to think for myself and seek the opinion/guidance of those i respect.
This 32%'er (and most of the others) stated that STV versus SIBA was concessionary. It is. Just compare them and tell me where I'm going wrong. I can recall nobody saying that they couldn't/wouldn't use SIBA. And I think the time limits on STV were/are clear.
I believe using SIBA to cover the entire body of CAN flying as an alternative to a base was leverage. Do you believe otherwise?
By voting yes, the base is established, mostly filled and a few straggling slots are being covered by SIBA. That's a lot different than covering an entire Hub's worth of flying using SIBA. If the company wanted to do that, they would have from the outset.
The letter of agreement to serve over there was truly the biggest leverage, IMHO. Just ask any HKG guy who hasn't sent their signed copy at the first request to do so.
Some seem to view this SIBA announcement as leverage. I don't. Again, I believe our real leverage was lost when LOA #1 was voted in.
To stand up now and claim "see, I was right and you were wrong" seems a little silly.
As far as the "Vote yes, but don't bid it" notion, I don't think drinking koolaid will cause these kinds of symptoms, but smoking crack just might.
09-18-2008, 11:35 AM
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As far as the "Vote yes, but don't bid it" notion, I don't think drinking koolaid will cause these kinds of symptoms, but smoking crack just might.
Or....something else. Just dont know what that something else is/was.
Or....something else. Just dont know what that something else is/was.
09-18-2008, 11:41 AM
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SFS base will be closed ... can you SIBA from a closed base? Could I grieve that if I was senior to them in MEM?
09-18-2008, 12:01 PM
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Do you think ANC will soon become overmanned from SFS refugees?
09-18-2008, 01:14 PM
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As I have mentioned before, dont be surprised if SFS stays open, as a domicile, after the Subic hub closes. That way SFS FO pairings can be built to fly the HKG stuff for awhile. Look at the training dates for some of the SFS FO's!
09-18-2008, 02:37 PM
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So what would have happened if the LOA passed by 100% and nobody bid it? Zero, nada, zilch.......not a soul! How interesting would that have been?
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