FDX - Expect FO SIBA soon in HKG...
09-17-2008, 05:33 PM
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When a SFS guy goes to MEM for annual training, which is 3 days worth, it is an 11 day "pairing". 4 days to get there and 4 days back. Not to productive.
09-17-2008, 05:35 PM
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09-17-2008, 05:40 PM
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you're right, i missed your point of "leverage - we HAD some" - before the vote on LOA #1
if that's what you meant by "we (32%-ers) were right", then I agree - we HAD some leverage - however, it all went away when 1) we collectively approved LOA #1, and 2) after it was approved, all but the HKG FO slots were snatched up faster than a DP in Memphis.
the only leverage we had after LOA #1 was approved was to NOT BID IT!!!
this thread was about SIBA coming to HKG - so i guess i was focusing on everyone touting the fact that SIBA was coming proved, somehow, that we still have some leverage in the FDA situation.
so......couple of questions:
1) how does the company electing to use SIBA instead of STV (vol or non-vol) equate to the pilot group having leverage now?
2) everyone on here is touting SIBA as a much better deal for the pilots and a much worse thing for the company - so, why would the company chose SIBA over STV if they had either option at their disposal?
unfortunately, we'll never know how much leverage we had or didn't have before LOA #1 was voted in.
the company electing to use SIBA vs. STV is not proof that we had leverage and could have gotten a "better deal" FDA LOA - i don't see the connection.
if that's what you meant by "we (32%-ers) were right", then I agree - we HAD some leverage - however, it all went away when 1) we collectively approved LOA #1, and 2) after it was approved, all but the HKG FO slots were snatched up faster than a DP in Memphis.
the only leverage we had after LOA #1 was approved was to NOT BID IT!!!
this thread was about SIBA coming to HKG - so i guess i was focusing on everyone touting the fact that SIBA was coming proved, somehow, that we still have some leverage in the FDA situation.
so......couple of questions:
1) how does the company electing to use SIBA instead of STV (vol or non-vol) equate to the pilot group having leverage now?
2) everyone on here is touting SIBA as a much better deal for the pilots and a much worse thing for the company - so, why would the company chose SIBA over STV if they had either option at their disposal?
unfortunately, we'll never know how much leverage we had or didn't have before LOA #1 was voted in.
the company electing to use SIBA vs. STV is not proof that we had leverage and could have gotten a "better deal" FDA LOA - i don't see the connection.
They don't use STV because they said they wouldn't. They can be trusted short term. Perhaps it is a fight to put off till later perhaps they will keep their word.
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09-17-2008, 05:44 PM
#34
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you're right, i missed your point of "leverage - we HAD some" - before the vote on LOA #1
if that's what you meant by "we (32%-ers) were right", then I agree - we HAD some leverage - however, it all went away when 1) we collectively approved LOA #1, and 2) after it was approved, all but the HKG FO slots were snatched up faster than a DP in Memphis.
the only leverage we had after LOA #1 was approved was to NOT BID IT!!!
this thread was about SIBA coming to HKG - so i guess i was focusing on everyone touting the fact that SIBA was coming proved, somehow, that we still have some leverage in the FDA situation.
so......couple of questions:
1) how does the company electing to use SIBA instead of STV (vol or non-vol) equate to the pilot group having leverage now?
2) everyone on here is touting SIBA as a much better deal for the pilots and a much worse thing for the company - so, why would the company chose SIBA over STV if they had either option at their disposal?
unfortunately, we'll never know how much leverage we had or didn't have before LOA #1 was voted in.
the company electing to use SIBA vs. STV is not proof that we had leverage and could have gotten a "better deal" FDA LOA - i don't see the connection.
if that's what you meant by "we (32%-ers) were right", then I agree - we HAD some leverage - however, it all went away when 1) we collectively approved LOA #1, and 2) after it was approved, all but the HKG FO slots were snatched up faster than a DP in Memphis.
the only leverage we had after LOA #1 was approved was to NOT BID IT!!!
this thread was about SIBA coming to HKG - so i guess i was focusing on everyone touting the fact that SIBA was coming proved, somehow, that we still have some leverage in the FDA situation.
so......couple of questions:
1) how does the company electing to use SIBA instead of STV (vol or non-vol) equate to the pilot group having leverage now?
2) everyone on here is touting SIBA as a much better deal for the pilots and a much worse thing for the company - so, why would the company chose SIBA over STV if they had either option at their disposal?
unfortunately, we'll never know how much leverage we had or didn't have before LOA #1 was voted in.
the company electing to use SIBA vs. STV is not proof that we had leverage and could have gotten a "better deal" FDA LOA - i don't see the connection.
From my perspective, we had some serious leverage before the LOA was voted in; one of the few times since I have been here that we had some real bargaining power. But, I wont go thru the details again.
09-17-2008, 08:49 PM
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my yes vote is well documented on this forum.....what's your point in asking?
MY point in replying to this thread was to point out that even the super-duper smart, crystal ball reading 32%-ers were wrong about SIBA and STV.
the 32%-ers said that by voting yes, we gave up the leverage that SIBA could have brought us - and now there's SIBA.
the 32%-ers ranted over and over again the mantra of how the company would impose non-vol STV the first opportunity they got since we, the stupid 68%-ers, gave them that weapon to use against us by voting yes on LOA 1 - "hell no, we won't go!!"
well......what do ya know? the company has unbelievably (so far) kept their word by NOT using STV to fill vacancies not bid. they have also chosen to use SIBA even though we gave away that "leverage".
if the 32%-ers were/are 100% correct about everything - as they/you all claim, then why would the company be planning SIBA instead of just jamming STV up our collective orifices?
maybe, just maybe, y'all don't actually have EVERYTHING figured out exactly.....maybe?
and for MD11Hog, I don't drink koolaid - whether it's being offered by the company, the union, or on here by the "proponents of hysteria"
i try to think for myself and seek the opinion/guidance of those i respect.
MY point in replying to this thread was to point out that even the super-duper smart, crystal ball reading 32%-ers were wrong about SIBA and STV.
the 32%-ers said that by voting yes, we gave up the leverage that SIBA could have brought us - and now there's SIBA.
the 32%-ers ranted over and over again the mantra of how the company would impose non-vol STV the first opportunity they got since we, the stupid 68%-ers, gave them that weapon to use against us by voting yes on LOA 1 - "hell no, we won't go!!"
well......what do ya know? the company has unbelievably (so far) kept their word by NOT using STV to fill vacancies not bid. they have also chosen to use SIBA even though we gave away that "leverage".
if the 32%-ers were/are 100% correct about everything - as they/you all claim, then why would the company be planning SIBA instead of just jamming STV up our collective orifices?
maybe, just maybe, y'all don't actually have EVERYTHING figured out exactly.....maybe?
and for MD11Hog, I don't drink koolaid - whether it's being offered by the company, the union, or on here by the "proponents of hysteria"
i try to think for myself and seek the opinion/guidance of those i respect.
09-17-2008, 10:35 PM
#39
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Leverage
Lot's of talk on this thread about leverage. What's the definition of leverage? It's when you wake up in the morning with a **** hard-on, go to the bathroom to take a leak, push it down so you can get it in the toilet, and your feet come off the ground.
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