FDX - Expect FO SIBA soon in HKG...
09-17-2008, 04:08 PM
#21
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just making sure I understand what you're saying......who was right that is.......
was it you guys on "the fringe" who, last week, were counting the days to non-vol STVs?
or, was it the guys (me) that said "believe the company when they say there will be no non-vol STVs to fill the vacancies?"
you 32%-ers got this all WIRED!! not.
so......to recap.......who was right about STV and/or SIBA again? the paranoid about non-vol STV 32%-ers on "the fringe"? uh, yeah....not.
and while we're at it, why is everyone suggesting that SIBA would go senior and voluntary STV wouldn't? can someone 'splain that one to me? isn't SIBA usually 3 months also (maybe not, we don't have it in ANC, so I don't know for sure)?
seems to me that SIBA must be a better deal ($$$) for the company than STV or they'd be offering voluntary STV instead of SIBA - even with the positioning/depositioning deadheads. or, heck, for that matter, just non-vol the junior suckers to STV instead........things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?
yeah.....you guys were "right".........
was it you guys on "the fringe" who, last week, were counting the days to non-vol STVs?
or, was it the guys (me) that said "believe the company when they say there will be no non-vol STVs to fill the vacancies?"
you 32%-ers got this all WIRED!! not.
so......to recap.......who was right about STV and/or SIBA again? the paranoid about non-vol STV 32%-ers on "the fringe"? uh, yeah....not.
and while we're at it, why is everyone suggesting that SIBA would go senior and voluntary STV wouldn't? can someone 'splain that one to me? isn't SIBA usually 3 months also (maybe not, we don't have it in ANC, so I don't know for sure)?
seems to me that SIBA must be a better deal ($$$) for the company than STV or they'd be offering voluntary STV instead of SIBA - even with the positioning/depositioning deadheads. or, heck, for that matter, just non-vol the junior suckers to STV instead........things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?
yeah.....you guys were "right".........
If the Company never uses STV instead of SIBA to fill unbid HKG slots, at least you would have gotten one thing correct.
09-17-2008, 04:08 PM
#22
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just making sure I understand what you're saying......who was right that is.......
was it you guys on "the fringe" who, last week, were counting the days to non-vol STVs?
or, was it the guys (me) that said "believe the company when they say there will be no non-vol STVs to fill the vacancies?"
you 32%-ers got this all WIRED!! not.
so......to recap.......who was right about STV and/or SIBA again? the paranoid about non-vol STV 32%-ers on "the fringe"? uh, yeah....not.
and while we're at it, why is everyone suggesting that SIBA would go senior and voluntary STV wouldn't? can someone 'splain that one to me? isn't SIBA usually 3 months also (maybe not, we don't have it in ANC, so I don't know for sure)?
seems to me that SIBA must be a better deal ($$$) for the company than STV or they'd be offering voluntary STV instead of SIBA - even with the positioning/depositioning deadheads. or, heck, for that matter, just non-vol the junior suckers to STV instead........things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?
yeah.....you guys were "right".........
was it you guys on "the fringe" who, last week, were counting the days to non-vol STVs?
or, was it the guys (me) that said "believe the company when they say there will be no non-vol STVs to fill the vacancies?"
you 32%-ers got this all WIRED!! not.
so......to recap.......who was right about STV and/or SIBA again? the paranoid about non-vol STV 32%-ers on "the fringe"? uh, yeah....not.
and while we're at it, why is everyone suggesting that SIBA would go senior and voluntary STV wouldn't? can someone 'splain that one to me? isn't SIBA usually 3 months also (maybe not, we don't have it in ANC, so I don't know for sure)?
seems to me that SIBA must be a better deal ($$$) for the company than STV or they'd be offering voluntary STV instead of SIBA - even with the positioning/depositioning deadheads. or, heck, for that matter, just non-vol the junior suckers to STV instead........things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?
yeah.....you guys were "right".........
Just keep telling yourself "It was the best we could get, I'm glad I voted yes, We had no leverage".
09-17-2008, 04:10 PM
#23
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SIBA would go senior because it would be a single ~15 day trip and you come home. STV you go over for 3 months (vol), 1 month (non vol) and sit in a hotel off the clock when your not on individual trips. You would be away from home a whole lot more in STV for the same pay. Or that's the I see STV.
09-17-2008, 04:13 PM
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SIBA would go senior because it would be a single ~15 day trip and you come home. STV you go over for 3 months (vol), 1 month (non vol) and sit in a hotel off the clock when your not on individual trips. You would be away from home a whole lot more in STV for the same pay. Or that's the I see STV.
Just keep telling yourself "It was the best we could get, I'm glad I voted yes, We had no leverage".
Hopefully guys, he sees the light.
09-17-2008, 04:13 PM
#25
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SIBA would go senior because it would be a single ~15 day trip and you come home. STV you go over for 3 months (vol), 1 month (non vol) and sit in a hotel off the clock when your not on individual trips. You would be away from home a whole lot more in STV for the same pay. Or that's the I see STV.
15 days is optimistic, with trip rig and DH hours it will be very hard to fit 15 days into a MEM bus bid pack average line.
The average CDG Siba bus trip pays 72 hours and works 12 days.
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09-17-2008, 04:23 PM
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just making sure I understand what you're saying......who was right that is.......
was it you guys on "the fringe" who, last week, were counting the days to non-vol STVs?
or, was it the guys (me) that said "believe the company when they say there will be no non-vol STVs to fill the vacancies?"
you 32%-ers got this all WIRED!! not.
so......to recap.......who was right about STV and/or SIBA again? the paranoid about non-vol STV 32%-ers on "the fringe"? uh, yeah....not.
and while we're at it, why is everyone suggesting that SIBA would go senior and voluntary STV wouldn't? can someone 'splain that one to me? isn't SIBA usually 3 months also (maybe not, we don't have it in ANC, so I don't know for sure)?
seems to me that SIBA must be a better deal ($$$) for the company than STV or they'd be offering voluntary STV instead of SIBA - even with the positioning/depositioning deadheads. or, heck, for that matter, just non-vol the junior suckers to STV instead........things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?
yeah.....you guys were "right".........
was it you guys on "the fringe" who, last week, were counting the days to non-vol STVs?
or, was it the guys (me) that said "believe the company when they say there will be no non-vol STVs to fill the vacancies?"
you 32%-ers got this all WIRED!! not.
so......to recap.......who was right about STV and/or SIBA again? the paranoid about non-vol STV 32%-ers on "the fringe"? uh, yeah....not.
and while we're at it, why is everyone suggesting that SIBA would go senior and voluntary STV wouldn't? can someone 'splain that one to me? isn't SIBA usually 3 months also (maybe not, we don't have it in ANC, so I don't know for sure)?
seems to me that SIBA must be a better deal ($$$) for the company than STV or they'd be offering voluntary STV instead of SIBA - even with the positioning/depositioning deadheads. or, heck, for that matter, just non-vol the junior suckers to STV instead........things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?
yeah.....you guys were "right".........
09-17-2008, 04:30 PM
#27
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Reread the language, my bet SIBA to HKG would fall under the "Operational" lingo.
09-17-2008, 04:30 PM
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SIBA would go senior because it would be a single ~15 day trip and you come home. STV you go over for 3 months (vol), 1 month (non vol) and sit in a hotel off the clock when your not on individual trips. You would be away from home a whole lot more in STV for the same pay. Or that's the I see STV.
09-17-2008, 04:55 PM
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No leverage...right! Where all are the dudes who told me "we need to ensure we capture this flying"? Well, well. I guess we "proponents of hysteria" were right after all.
Gents and gals, let's not lose sight of the target and the resultant outcome here. This is a win for the membership and has forced the company to back away...for the time being. I believe there is a bid open to go to HKG for 17 more FOs. If there was any question whether to bid it now....
DON'T!
Well, done those of you who voted no.
WM
Gents and gals, let's not lose sight of the target and the resultant outcome here. This is a win for the membership and has forced the company to back away...for the time being. I believe there is a bid open to go to HKG for 17 more FOs. If there was any question whether to bid it now....
DON'T!
Well, done those of you who voted no.
WM
09-17-2008, 05:18 PM
#30
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I guess the few of us here (the fringe) were right after all. I hope the other 68% are starting to realize they were sold a POS.if that's what you meant by "we (32%-ers) were right", then I agree - we HAD some leverage - however, it all went away when 1) we collectively approved LOA #1, and 2) after it was approved, all but the HKG FO slots were snatched up faster than a DP in Memphis.
the only leverage we had after LOA #1 was approved was to NOT BID IT!!!
this thread was about SIBA coming to HKG - so i guess i was focusing on everyone touting the fact that SIBA was coming proved, somehow, that we still have some leverage in the FDA situation.
so......couple of questions:
1) how does the company electing to use SIBA instead of STV (vol or non-vol) equate to the pilot group having leverage now?
2) everyone on here is touting SIBA as a much better deal for the pilots and a much worse thing for the company - so, why would the company chose SIBA over STV if they had either option at their disposal?
unfortunately, we'll never know how much leverage we had or didn't have before LOA #1 was voted in.
the company electing to use SIBA vs. STV is not proof that we had leverage and could have gotten a "better deal" FDA LOA - i don't see the connection.
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