FDX-Standing up the 777
09-12-2008, 10:36 PM
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Open question for those already in training, projected to start training, or who have MEM 777 in their standing bids: What, if any, deals have you "negotiated" or are you "expecting" as independent contractors with the company regarding your pay rate for the 777? Since our NC Chairman is currently in formal negotiations regarding said 777 rate, are you following the 757 cadre model, or do you just feel lucky? "Same as it ever was.." (Talking Heads)
09-13-2008, 02:59 AM
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[QUOTE=BOYCAPTAIN;460818]many have completed training months ago....2 buds are done already and building the program...757 was different!...2 payrates involved....here they figure the payrate at worst will stay the same...although company has a list of current 777 payrates at the other airlines and they are lower than our widebody rates....yikes
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many have completed training months ago....2 buds are done already and building the program...757 was different!...2 payrates involved....here they figure the payrate at worst will stay the same...although company has a list of current 777 payrates at the other airlines and they are lower than our widebody rates....yikes!
I make more than most CA's at Legacy Carriers in the right seat of the MD11, maybe we should all take pay cuts.
09-13-2008, 05:58 AM
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If the company doesn't want to pay A 380 rates; we should call their bluff and say fine; one pay rate for the fleet and a heck of an international override. After all the delta from the 757 to the bus can't be much more than the bus to the 777.
09-13-2008, 07:59 AM
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Some facts to consider--
1) We made some concessions in the last contract to secure A380 rates.
2) With no A380, management has "lost" their memory of how negotiations went and wants the MD11 rate for the 777.
3) We have seen other concessionary programs put into place--FDA LOA, accepted fares debacle, unleashing the optimizer, over 60 guys "excessed" from boeing SO to MD11/Airbus CA followed quickly by a bid to excess younger FOs back into the SO seat. It was basically an over 60 vacancy bid, WITH NO VACANCIES. BTW, where is our grievance on that one?
If for no other reason other than to stop management from laughing at us, I say don't settle for a low 777 pay rate.
1) We made some concessions in the last contract to secure A380 rates.
2) With no A380, management has "lost" their memory of how negotiations went and wants the MD11 rate for the 777.
3) We have seen other concessionary programs put into place--FDA LOA, accepted fares debacle, unleashing the optimizer, over 60 guys "excessed" from boeing SO to MD11/Airbus CA followed quickly by a bid to excess younger FOs back into the SO seat. It was basically an over 60 vacancy bid, WITH NO VACANCIES. BTW, where is our grievance on that one?
If for no other reason other than to stop management from laughing at us, I say don't settle for a low 777 pay rate.
Last edited by Gunter; 09-13-2008 at 08:09 AM.
09-13-2008, 11:10 AM
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many have completed training months ago....2 buds are done already and building the program...757 was different!...2 payrates involved....here they figure the payrate at worst will stay the same...although company has a list of current 777 payrates at the other airlines and they are lower than our widebody rates....yikes!
09-13-2008, 02:33 PM
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see the "yikes"...do i have to spell it out???....the 777 should pay much more for those who want to sit in a tube for 20 hours soaking up radiation and old man farts...have at it...you couldn't pay me enough to do that kind of flying...our problem is our union!....
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