hoya saxa

My apologies if this has been covered here before. I seem to recall the topic being discussed previously but my searches were fruitless.

I've got an end of trip deadhead that lays over domestically after a long int'l deadhead, then continues with a final leg to base. Is it possible to deviate only on the final leg - i.e. take the scheduled int'l deadhead, gt, and hotel and then go my merry way? Or will this cancel the entire end of trip deadhead sequence? My gut says it will.

In a similar vein, if one were to not deviate at all, but simply not show up for the final leg, would this cause any issues? In other words, jumpseat home offline without losing that first int'l deadhead leg. Obviously I wouldn't get the associated accepted fare in my bank.

In advance, I offer thanks and respect to you cool-headed sages of all things purple.

Hoya

FDXLAG

If you don't need the bank it is the "smart" way to do it as you will be eligible for more pay if something happens to the scheduled flight. Some will argue that it screws the airline you have a ticket on; fedex's fault. If I don't have another flight scheduled I always forget to back end deviate as that protects all the guys in the crew for extra pay. Domestically NW refunds the Cat Y fare if the ticket is not used.

MD11Fr8Dog

And you can ALWAYS just call Global Travel and cancel what you don't or won't use!

Busboy

Does vacation that touches an "int'l buffer" always create a confict?

Sorry about the drift.

I'm assuming that's what this is saying. It seems black and white...But, as we all know sometimes it somehow turns grey.

7.G. Vacation Bank Administration


1. Regular Line Holder


A regular line holder shall be removed from a trip(s) in conflict with his vacation period (as awarded or slid) or vacation expansion. Conflict with an international duty free buffer, as described in Section 12.D.1.d., shall constitute a conflict with the trip protected by that buffer and may not be waived. The SCH value of the removed trip(s) shall be deducted from the pilot's vacation credit hour bank.

hyperone

I think you just answered your own question. Although I generally avoid the words "never" and "always", the short answer is, yes, it causes a confict.

FXDX

While we're talking about vacation, can anybody tell me if you can slide a vacation the last week of Oct into the first week of Nov (5 days). The contract says:

A pilot may adjust his vacation period by sliding it up to a maximum of 5 days in either direction. However, the slide shall not reschedule any portion of that vacation into the preceding bid periods of November or December.

So, does that mean you can't slide a Jan or Dec vacation into Dec and Nov, or you can't slide an Oct or Nov vacation into Nov and Dec?

I'm hoping to slide from Oct into Nov, so if I can't I will need to change my bid.

Thanks for any help.

Busboy

I should rephrase the question:

Are there any caveats to conflicting a vacation with an international trip buffer?

Has anyone ever personally had an experience with this that would turn CBA 7.G.1. into something other than black and white?

Busboy

Yes. You can(I have), slide an Oct vacation into November. What they won't let you do is slide a vacation backwards into Nov or Dec. Something about some kind of silly holidays.

MD11Fr8Dog

November does not precede October! Now go reread!

Adlerdriver

Deviating any part of your return DH will cancel it all. I had the exact thing happen in July. Called skeds to ask the "what if" and she does it for me while I'm on the phone w/o my consent. That cancelled the $7000 ticket I had from DXB-JFK and the bank reverts to accepted of $3800 (figure that disparity out). Pairing got changed anyway so it didn't matter in the end.
Bottom line: Multi leg DH with layovers cannot be deviated partially - it's all or nothing. One thing you can do on the back end is get to the U.S. first, then cancel the domestic leg w/ global travel and rebook what you want.
I know lots of guys that never officially deviate on the back end. They just cancel the flight w/ GT and buy what they want. The cancelled ticket goes in your bank as if you deviated.