Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Cargo
FDX- Approach question >

FDX- Approach question

Search

Notices
Cargo Part 121 cargo airlines

FDX- Approach question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-11-2008, 01:59 PM
  #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 1559
Posts: 1,535
Default

Originally Posted by 290kts
"We (UPS) WERE flying hand flown CatIII approaches to a DA of 100 feet (700 RVR)"


We call those Cat II at FedEx
Nope, 700 RVR is CAT IIIA .

Last edited by MX727; 09-11-2008 at 07:26 PM. Reason: More below
MX727 is offline  
Old 09-11-2008, 02:02 PM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 1559
Posts: 1,535
Default

Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso
290kts,

He has to be referring to Cat III by definition. By basic FAR/AIM definition, a Cat II can't go lower than 1200 RVR, although we know from OPS Specs that it can go down to 1000RVR with autoland. To get a number as low as 700, they had to be doing a CAT III, they just had to make the decision on whether or not the airplane was going to land where it's supposed to at a higher altitude than we do probably because they were hand flying it.
We've been doing it wrong on CAT IIIA since the verbiage changed to call it a "See to land." CAT IIIA is 700, which a hand flown would be.

Check the CRAR for the US and CAT IIIA. Page C-30

Now, you could also fly a CAT IIIB to an autoland and disconnect when the nosewheel touches down (contaminated rwy). Not sure if they are going to call that a 600 or a 700 RVR approach.

The FOM is going to change and you will see the 700 come back.

Last edited by MX727; 09-11-2008 at 07:29 PM. Reason: A's and B's
MX727 is offline  
Old 09-11-2008, 02:50 PM
  #13  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,068
Default

Understood MX727, I didn't even bother breaking down the individual CAT III parts, because I responding to a post that said a 700RVR approach could be a CAT II which it never could be without using Big Boy authority.
Daniel Larusso is offline  
Old 09-12-2008, 02:51 PM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: L Side
Posts: 409
Default

Thanks for the input dudes/dudettes.

I just wanted to know if it was possible at some point and it seems that it is/was.
dundem is offline  
Old 09-12-2008, 06:55 PM
  #15  
Gets all holidays off
 
fr8rcaptain's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: Retired UPS 767 Captain, SDF Z
Posts: 431
Default

Originally Posted by 290kts
"We (UPS) WERE flying hand flown CatIII approaches to a DA of 100 feet (700 RVR)"


We call those Cat II at FedEx
CAT IIs to 700 RVR? The rest of the world usually flys CAT IIs down to 1000 rvr. You purple guys r good!
fr8rcaptain is offline  
Old 09-12-2008, 07:27 PM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: leaning to the left
Posts: 4,184
Default

Originally Posted by fr8rcaptain
CAT IIs to 700 RVR? The rest of the world usually flys CAT IIs down to 1000 rvr. You purple guys r good!
That's right "brownie"!!

Minimums are for pussies!!

We don't need no stinkin' FARs. Us and JetBlue.
Busboy is offline  
Old 09-12-2008, 07:48 PM
  #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
kronan's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 2,419
Default

Not as good as the SWA crews though. Always amazes me how they can take the visual approach at SNA when I'm in the clouds. They must be allowed to to low level through the hills to make it work.
kronan is offline  
Old 09-13-2008, 04:38 AM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 1559
Posts: 1,535
Default

Originally Posted by kronan
Not as good as the SWA crews though. Always amazes me how they can take the visual approach at SNA when I'm in the clouds. They must be allowed to to low level through the hills to make it work.
Anything is possible at the "Happiest Place on Earth". Afterall, that's "Where the Magic Began."
MX727 is offline  
Old 09-13-2008, 07:19 AM
  #19  
Gets Weekends Off
 
kronan's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 2,419
Default

I thought the happiest place on Earth began in Anaheim?
kronan is offline  
Old 09-13-2008, 07:27 AM
  #20  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 62
Default

The UPS 727's were flying CATIIIa hand flown approaches down to a 50 ft DH (not 100 ft, as posted earlier), and 700 RVR. It was the same HUD that Alaskan had in their 727's. Great system!
Need4Speed is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
pig on the wing
Cargo
12
08-13-2012 04:36 PM
Jumbo Pilot
Cargo
7
09-10-2008 09:11 AM
AFW_MD11
Cargo
1
08-26-2008 10:16 AM
Sea Pig
Cargo
4
08-26-2008 03:47 AM
USMCFLYR
Hangar Talk
3
08-23-2008 08:37 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices