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08-20-2008, 01:46 PM
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: 777 Capt
Posts: 131
And here’s Jungle, our capitalism expert, lecturing us while he hides safely behind his protectionist and very un-capitalistic scope clause. Tell you what, Jungle. You drop your scope clause to free up UPS so they can chose any vendor of air services they want. We’ve got a bunch of 767s we’re going to put into ACMI after DHL leaves, and we’ll just pick up a few of your routes, OK?
08-20-2008, 01:48 PM
#42
With The Resistance
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
And here’s Jungle, our capitalism expert, lecturing us while he hides safely behind his protectionist and very un-capitalistic scope clause. Tell you what, Jungle. You drop your scope clause to free up UPS so they can chose any vendor of air services they want. We’ve got a bunch of 767s we’re going to put into ACMI after DHL leaves, and we’ll just pick up a few of your routes, OK?
08-20-2008, 02:22 PM
#43
Retired Doug herder
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Former DC8 73 Capt DHLAirways/Astar. Retired
Posts: 424
I flew out of CVG in a Kalitta B727 for months '94-'95, doing STL-ORD-CVG (Sort) CVG-ATL-STL two weeks on, two weeks off weekend in a real fleabag overlooking Lambert. I also did EWR-CVG-EWR and airport "hot standby" at a pretty decent hotel next to a brewery (can't remember the name). We had as many as three airplanes on property in CVG at any one time. When I was there we were non-union, but brought Teamsters on just as I was leaving for UPS. I'm not sure who they replaced us with, but was told by the ramp manager that Connie had gotten too expensive. Maybe I should have picketed during the sort 
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08-20-2008, 02:24 PM
#44
Retired Doug herder
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Former DC8 73 Capt DHLAirways/Astar. Retired
Posts: 424
I suppose it's the big elephant in the room. I did bring it up at happy hour with some of your guys in HKG once, and the subject was changed pretty fast. But since you bring it up, having so many part time non-union drivers and sort workers is a huge cost advantage over UPS. Our drivers/sorters make good coin, and excellent benefits. Many drivers there for 20 or more years have huge caches of stock often hypothecated before they went public. We thought that after honoring their picket lines in '97 we might get some real support when we requested release in '98 but the labor friendly Clinton administration cut our legs out from under us telling us that not only would we never be allowed to strike, but we'd never, ever get released from mediation, so we never got to see for ourselves. However, after walking the line with them in OAK for example I wasn't afraid for my life there anymore
08-20-2008, 02:56 PM
#45
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: MD11 CPT
Posts: 1,077
And if you were to get released from mediation and struck, you'd have our support. Should we refuse to haul cans with DHL volume?
08-20-2008, 02:59 PM
#46
Retired Doug herder
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Position: Former DC8 73 Capt DHLAirways/Astar. Retired
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I suppose it would be too much to ask for an official statement from IPA that the deal stinks, though.
08-20-2008, 03:00 PM
#47
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Position: MD11 CPT
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So since it was just lowly Kalitta, it was a "temporary" deal and "just one those things" while your vendor agreement with DHL was unconditional and not time limited and hence somehow more sacred?
08-20-2008, 03:07 PM
#48
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: MD11 CPT
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And go another step and call the D.D. "bluff" and then have them really shut down the whole thing and put that many more on the street and you'll see lots of emotion.
08-20-2008, 03:11 PM
#49
Retired Doug herder
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Position: Former DC8 73 Capt DHLAirways/Astar. Retired
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I'm not really sure what's gotten the burr under your saddle SD, but DHLAirways at the time was a wholly owned subsidiary of DHL Worldwide Express, USA. The airline for DHL in the US. As in owned and operated by. As in had a CBA with our pilot group, because we were DHL. As it was right up until the dark times of the DPWN purchase of DHL in 2002, when they did all their reorganizational magic. It wasn't a vendor agreement. As any airline expands, many utilize short term charter agreements in order to handle additional lift requirements while they grow their own fleets to accomodate it. It has nothing to do with "lowly" Kalitta or anything else. It was a short term coverage issue, that was known at the time. Much as UPS has allowances for some charter operators during push season, and who knows when else.
08-20-2008, 04:22 PM
#50
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
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After all, we all know there are no consequences to an endless war (and reconstruction bill) and running up the government debt with abandon.
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