nightfreight

Brown and Jungle,

I don't work for DHL. If I were these guys I would do what I could to keep my job, even if that includes picketing UPS. It is a tough job market out there.... I agree that their cause is most likely a lost one, but it is worth a try while you get your resumes out to whoever is accepting them these days. I am not sure why their actions bother you...

It really isn't necessary to kick sand in these guys faces. Just chill out and be gracious, you will get their packages in the end anyway. I don't think this will be a huge job gainer for you guys though. UPS will truck anything humanly possible. We have all seen planes leaving less than full lately and DHL freight will just fill up the half full aircraft. There will be some jobs created for sure, just not what you are probably thinking. Some have compared this deal to Fedex's postal contract due to the size of the contract, but that actually opened up a large bank of day flying for us that needed additional pilots to fill.

How about just giving these guys a break?

jungle

You have some funny ideas about accounting, all of which you have failed to offer any proof. Ignore my opinion, invoke Enron and carry on, but at the end of the day you are ignoring the fact that these large corporations are audited-so your assertion that no outsider has looked at the books is just false.

I will be happy to give them a break when they want to stop making bogus claims and claiming anyone who doesn't support them is kicking sand in their face. Fighting for your job is one thing, getting on a Forum and claiming DHL and UPS are to blame for their woes because of deceptive business practices is another.
We have offered sympathy, understanding and made it known that most of us have an ugly lye burn or six on the back of our right hand. This doesn't mean we will give up logical thought.
A billion dollars of gross revenue is about 2% of UPS' gross, the value of that on the bottom line is largely dependent on any incremental cost incurred to maintain the contract. In addition it is a sure bet that UPS will be utilizing DHL's infrastructure in the markets DHL has a strong position. Net to the pilot group at UPS-not much, but it beats going backwards.

Brown

I thought this was a discussion board. Isn't that what we are doing?

Thanks for your opinion.

hvydriver

[QUOTE]You have some funny ideas about accounting, all of which you have failed to offer any proof. Ignore my opinion, invoke Enron and carry on, but at the end of the day you are ignoring the fact that these large corporations are audited-so your assertion that no outsider has looked at the books is just false.[QUOTE]



Jungle, I don't need to offer you proof. You don't matter in this. Company books are audited by their company accounting firms. While indeed they may be individual companies, they are protected from public scrutiny.



Jungle, we haven't asked anyone to "support" us. What we did expect, was that UPS'ers would have the decency not to publicly salivate over our demise. Several UPS'ers have behaved quite properly about the situation. Which simply is don't act like a jackass. You are one of the ones that haven't.

capnbob928s4

Originally posted by jsled: "Some of these guys at DHL/ABX are pulling down 200K per year. What are they going to do...fly an RJ for Skywest? hahaha"

Or fly for United????????????????????????????????????????!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jungle

"Jungle, I don't need to offer you proof. You don't matter in this. Company books are audited by their company accounting firms. While indeed they may be individual companies, they are protected from public scrutiny." hvydriver

Not true again, publicly traded companies are subject to constant scrutiny both by investors and government agencies.





"Jungle, we haven't asked anyone to "support" us. What we did expect, was that UPS'ers would have the decency not to publicly salivate over our demise. Several UPS'ers have behaved quite properly about the situation. Which simply is don't act like a jackass. You are one of the ones that haven't.[/QUOTE]" hvydriver

I don't recall salivating over your demise, your are welcome to quote any instance of my doing so. When I take the effort to point out a few gross flaws in your argument, I suddenly become a "jackass".
Good enough, best of luck.

If you aren't asking for support or sympathy I just wonder why you keep posting the things you are posting?

JustUnderPar

So when UPS wins the Postal Contract bid coming up soon, does that mean you as a Fedex Pilot will picket UPS?

Busboy

Is 2013 your definition of soon?

And, when was the DHL contract up for bid?

penguin22

Jumping to his conclusions again. The accounting is relevant.

I’ve posted this on another thread, but here are US Rep. Mike Turner’s thoughts:

“Rewind to just five years ago and you will find DHL operating at the Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky airport, Emery Worldwide operating at the Dayton airport, and Airborne Express operating in Wilmington.….. Reportedly, Emery and Airborne operated profitably with DHL operating with minimal losses.
Five years ago, if UPS and DHL had announced the formation of a strategic alliance that would include the acquisition of Emery and Airborne and the consolidation of all four companies' U.S. operations, antitrust alarms would be blaring. Certainly, this new transaction needs to be viewed in light of the possibility that the acquisitions of Emery and Airborne were steps one and two of a stepped transaction. Perhaps, the UPS-DHL combination is step three.”

(Emery was simply bought out and shut down by UPS. Coincidence, I’m sure)

I’ve also said that watching DHL in ILN the last few years has been like watching a company trying to fail. I could cite plenty of examples. Not going to bother with it here. But if one is to make the case that, as Rep Turner suggests, this is all part of a grand plan, then they’d need to show that the US operation is a money loser for DHL, so they can rationalize shutting ILN down. That makes the accounting questions relevant to an anti-trust allegation. Remember DPWN made €6 Billion last year. Will the Congressional Inquiry delve deep enough to get into all this? Doubt it, but who knows.

And what’s the end game of this “grand plan”? I doubt this UPS/DHL relationship is fully played out. But remember we’re in the early innings of Open Skies.



Like Congress?

JustUnderPar

Busboy,
The question was directed at nightfreight. I can explain for you.

He stated that he would picket a company "taking" a CONTRACT from what you currently fly (its a contract right). I was asking NF if someone "else" wins a contract like the P.O. one FedEx won, would he be making signs and rolling up the drums to picket said company. That is all.

The DHL contract is still in the works, but what do I know about such things. If you look at news over the DHL/UPS contract, it is very similar to the FedEx/ P.O. contract of 2001. The big difference is that it is an election year....