LOA talk at FDX
07-31-2008, 01:57 AM
#21
"blue collar thug"!
Joined APC: Nov 2006
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Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that our representatives were expected to advocate giving up working conditions to increase the shareholder's dividends. Many companies that are feeling a pinch, either reduce or discontinue those dividends. They don't raise them.
And, no one voted for a CBA that included a letter from our NC and our MEC that directed our SIG to not dispute the cranking up of the optimizer.
And, no one voted for a CBA that included a letter from our NC and our MEC that directed our SIG to not dispute the cranking up of the optimizer.
07-31-2008, 03:01 AM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD11 F/O
Posts: 653
Burn the place down...
Limos for everyone. Single leg departures only. $200 an hour for everyone!
Does that answer that? FWIW...I got stir crazy on vacation and picked up a one day O&B my first day off. Day of trip had 3/5 in the house sick with some sort of stomach virus and called in sick. Sick close to vacation is a flag, and although he was VERY decent about it I did get a call from LK and an email from my ACP...
So in short...I have no desire to ever call anyone who is on sick leave. I have no desire to sit in an office if I can avoid it. I'm happiest working the farm with my girls, flying my GA plane (geez...that's getting dangerous), or enjoying some of the water sports NW Florida offers. And I also hope after my block 7 term is up I can go piddle around back on the line unmolested.
I try to shoot straight with you guys. One of the campaign points I made was my business experience. I'm trying to say that I "get" some of what the company is facing. There are hundreds of other things they do that irk me (accepted fares, etc) and we'll work on them...but geez if I say anything positive about the company it seems you brand me as turncoat. I don't think that is really the case here...
Limos for everyone. Single leg departures only. $200 an hour for everyone!
Does that answer that? FWIW...I got stir crazy on vacation and picked up a one day O&B my first day off. Day of trip had 3/5 in the house sick with some sort of stomach virus and called in sick. Sick close to vacation is a flag, and although he was VERY decent about it I did get a call from LK and an email from my ACP...
So in short...I have no desire to ever call anyone who is on sick leave. I have no desire to sit in an office if I can avoid it. I'm happiest working the farm with my girls, flying my GA plane (geez...that's getting dangerous), or enjoying some of the water sports NW Florida offers. And I also hope after my block 7 term is up I can go piddle around back on the line unmolested.
I try to shoot straight with you guys. One of the campaign points I made was my business experience. I'm trying to say that I "get" some of what the company is facing. There are hundreds of other things they do that irk me (accepted fares, etc) and we'll work on them...but geez if I say anything positive about the company it seems you brand me as turncoat. I don't think that is really the case here...
Everybody here gets what the company is facing: Drive down cost. And we'll help (fuel sense).We just don't want it taken out of our quality of life or paychecks since we didn't see any bonuses during years and years of record profits.
07-31-2008, 02:28 PM
#24
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 55
Its funny how pilots swear up and down that if things were just done there way, everything would be better, lol. I recently overheard a guy saying that if he had a chance to build an airport (not a small field but a multi-runway) this is how he would have done it.
I think when we are in a fight to be economically viable that we should liberalize are contract as to allow for proper cost measures. As a boeing dude I have no problem with the lines being higher on the MDs, as long as it makes economic sense. That seems like a small price to pay.
I give it three postings max before I get the cheap shots, backwards logic, and teen-aged girl passion rage.
Now as for VEBA, that should be the first thing that we cut!
I think when we are in a fight to be economically viable that we should liberalize are contract as to allow for proper cost measures. As a boeing dude I have no problem with the lines being higher on the MDs, as long as it makes economic sense. That seems like a small price to pay.
I give it three postings max before I get the cheap shots, backwards logic, and teen-aged girl passion rage.
Now as for VEBA, that should be the first thing that we cut!
Last edited by Young Jack; 07-31-2008 at 02:36 PM. Reason: spelling
07-31-2008, 03:06 PM
#26
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2007
Position: MD-11 Captain
Posts: 88
Albie,
There's a reason the IRS has entirely different rules for how often a horse 'business' has to turn a profit.... it's not much of a business.
And take this from someone who had two cutting horses for a long long time: Never ever own anything that eats while you sleep.
There's a reason the IRS has entirely different rules for how often a horse 'business' has to turn a profit.... it's not much of a business.
And take this from someone who had two cutting horses for a long long time: Never ever own anything that eats while you sleep.
07-31-2008, 03:19 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 55
Pilots are so predictable, lol.
I knew someone would take things to the extreme. Let me guess the next thing youll tell me is we shouldnt have any pilots at all that way our costs would really be down.
Albie, your post about saying anything good about the company was spot on. These guys are spring loaded to hate anyone that disagrees with them.
In leaner times I opt for productivity over equality FOR THE MOST PART. In fatter times I opt for equality over productivity FOR THE MOST PART.
Ill give it two post this time.
Last edited by Young Jack; 07-31-2008 at 03:28 PM.
07-31-2008, 04:48 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 60
Albie and Young Jack, I see your point. Here's mine. From approx. 1 year prior to the Tiger merger (1989) until the ram-rod contract of 1998, FDX pilots didn't receive 1 single raise during a 10 year period! With a 2.5-3% inflation rate, that's a cool 25-30% paycut. The contract raises of the last 2 contracts have not beat the inflation rate over the same period.
FDX Corp pays many Millions for FDX Field, PGA Golf, NASCAR, FDX Kinko's name changes, while netting more than a Billion Dollars annually.
Those INTL packages from China do not terminate their trips in MEM. Those same pkgs continue to RSW, TLH, SLC, and other domestic locales. The INTL pkgs require the domestic system.
With a Billion dollar profit for FDX, woefully weak FDA LOA, and no Tiger merger COLA catch-up provisos, I'm in no mood to feel sorry for Fred and his 11 cent dividend.
Common Stock Beneficially Owned
Number Number of Percent of
Name of Beneficial Owner of Shares Option Shares(1) Class(2)
Frederick W. Smith 19,285,224 (3) 2,781,250 7.07 %
(19,285,224) Shares X dividend (.11) = $141,374 X 4 quarters = $565,500 per/yr and you haven't sold any shares yet. Residual income. year after year after year.
stock price of 79 x shares owned = $1,523,532,696
the sympathy tears for the company are just not welling up.
FDX Corp pays many Millions for FDX Field, PGA Golf, NASCAR, FDX Kinko's name changes, while netting more than a Billion Dollars annually.
Those INTL packages from China do not terminate their trips in MEM. Those same pkgs continue to RSW, TLH, SLC, and other domestic locales. The INTL pkgs require the domestic system.
With a Billion dollar profit for FDX, woefully weak FDA LOA, and no Tiger merger COLA catch-up provisos, I'm in no mood to feel sorry for Fred and his 11 cent dividend.
Common Stock Beneficially Owned
Number Number of Percent of
Name of Beneficial Owner of Shares Option Shares(1) Class(2)
Frederick W. Smith 19,285,224 (3) 2,781,250 7.07 %
(19,285,224) Shares X dividend (.11) = $141,374 X 4 quarters = $565,500 per/yr and you haven't sold any shares yet. Residual income. year after year after year.
stock price of 79 x shares owned = $1,523,532,696
the sympathy tears for the company are just not welling up.
07-31-2008, 06:56 PM
#30
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
I rest my case...
Pilots are so predictable, lol.
I knew someone would take things to the extreme. Let me guess the next thing youll tell me is we shouldnt have any pilots at all that way our costs would really be down.
Albie, your post about saying anything good about the company was spot on. These guys are spring loaded to hate anyone that disagrees with them.
In leaner times I opt for productivity over equality FOR THE MOST PART. In fatter times I opt for equality over productivity FOR THE MOST PART.
Ill give it two post this time.
Pilots are so predictable, lol.
I knew someone would take things to the extreme. Let me guess the next thing youll tell me is we shouldnt have any pilots at all that way our costs would really be down.
Albie, your post about saying anything good about the company was spot on. These guys are spring loaded to hate anyone that disagrees with them.
In leaner times I opt for productivity over equality FOR THE MOST PART. In fatter times I opt for equality over productivity FOR THE MOST PART.
Ill give it two post this time.
Here is my post again please note the ? at the end makes it a question not a statement.
I would cheap shot you and call you a teen age girl if I knew what the he!! you were talking about. Are you saying it should be OK to have DC-10 lines at 49 hours blg and MD lines at 85 hours blg?
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