Ups/dhl
08-03-2008, 01:43 PM
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UPSers will be out of jobs if the deal cnxs. UPS has space in N. America. They will contract accordingly without this deal. They don't need to make an announcement for me to believe that.
08-03-2008, 02:24 PM
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LOL I was thinking the same thing about you guys. What are you doing? Reserve in ANC?
08-03-2008, 04:03 PM
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The difference is OHIO is a swing state in an election year with no incumbent running. Nothing against the fine state of KY, but Ohio has a deep seated history of having a big say in who is elected President.
On a side note has UPS said if any jobs would be created by this union or can they simply add the weight to the current system without any major hiring.
On a side note has UPS said if any jobs would be created by this union or can they simply add the weight to the current system without any major hiring.
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
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It may start out with DHL doing very limitd stuff, but over years and years it may grow to be very significant.
Or, it another path, DHL gives up the headache and has UPS doing all there air movements. Which is probably the more likely scenerio given the infrastructure of UPS airlines assets.
08-03-2008, 10:02 PM
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DHL is very strong in Europe, Africa and the Middle East-markets that Fedex and UPS really haven't penetrated(except a few large markets in Europe). The highest value targets for UPS are the intra Europe/Russia market.
Fedex and UPS have all the cards in North America, Trans- Atlantic and Trans -Pacific with heavy market penetration in Asia.
I think this deal will strengthen DHL and UPS by playing on the strengths of both companies.
Fedex and UPS have all the cards in North America, Trans- Atlantic and Trans -Pacific with heavy market penetration in Asia.
I think this deal will strengthen DHL and UPS by playing on the strengths of both companies.
08-03-2008, 11:59 PM
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Wrong! Try again. Your scope is not enforceable beyond the USA. Labor law and contracts stop at the border. UPS COULD say go pack sand. They most likely wont, but they could.
It may start out with DHL doing very limitd stuff, but over years and years it may grow to be very significant.
Or, it another path, DHL gives up the headache and has UPS doing all there air movements. Which is probably the more likely scenerio given the infrastructure of UPS airlines assets.
It may start out with DHL doing very limitd stuff, but over years and years it may grow to be very significant.
Or, it another path, DHL gives up the headache and has UPS doing all there air movements. Which is probably the more likely scenerio given the infrastructure of UPS airlines assets.
08-04-2008, 04:24 AM
#69
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mon am news....not much. Some ex post facto too.. hmmm.
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UPS: Likely No Major Wilmington Impact Until Next Year
By Tom Michaels - Host, Anchor, Reporter@ August 4, 2008 6:02 AM Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0)
WILMINGTON, Ohio -- One of the big questions about DHL's proposal to hire United Parcel Service to fly its express delivery packages nationwide is how soon it will start taking away jobs from Wilmington, from where the ABX Air and ASTAR Air Cargo airlines now fly DHL's U.S. cargo.
Ohio officials estimate that a DHL shift to UPS will cost at least 8,000 jobs at DHL's Wilmington air freight hub, a major regional employer. A UPS spokesman said it could be "well into next year" before any changes are noticeable.
DHL said on May 28 that it hoped to work out a contract with UPS within three months and to start making changes in DHL's delivery network beginning later this year.
But that timetable may be unrealistic, because of the complexities of negotiating a deal and putting it into effect, UPS spokesman Norman Black said. UPS is unlikely to begin flying significant amounts of DHL cargo until well into 2009, Black said in a telephone interview last week from his Atlanta office.
"Bottom line is, we expect to be able to negotiate an agreement by the end of this year," Black said. "We, as a vendor, can't build a new operational plan for them until we've got an agreement, until they share information with us about their network and their package flows."
Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher said DHL hasn't given Ohio any new information about the timetable for the proposed deal with UPS.
Fisher made a personal visit to the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington on July 10 to explain Ohio's position that a DHL deal with its rival UPS would reduce competition in the U.S. express delivery market and potentially violate antitrust laws designed to promote competitive markets. If regulators agree, the federal government could join Ohio in a possible antitrust lawsuit against DHL, or Ohio could go it alone under the state's own antitrust law, Fisher said.
Fisher said Justice Department officials told him they had started collecting information about the proposed DHL-UPS deal, but could not start any antitrust investigation until DHL and UPS have a deal in place.
"We are being relentless in our efforts to explore how we can stop this transaction, on multiple fronts," Fisher said.
Ohio would be willing to work with DHL on ways to help reduce its operating costs, but only if the company backs away from the UPS deal and commits to staying in Wilmington, Fisher said. DHL has said it is committed to a deal with UPS.
With the Bush administration scheduled to relinquish power in January 2009, Ohio officials have covered their bases by also bringing their concerns about DHL and the Wilmington jobs to the attention of both major-party presidential candidates, Fisher said. Republican John McCain plans to go to Wilmington in early August for a campaign trip to DHL. Democrat Barack Obama recently met with Wilmington's mayor and workers at DHL.
Ohio has also asked the U.S. Department of Transportation to consider using its authority, independent of an antitrust case, to stop the proposed UPS-DHL deal on grounds it would have negative effect on the U.S. shipping market. Ohio is awaiting responses from both federal agencies.
DHL and UPS say there is no antitrust issue and no need for any government approval. They say it would be a customer-vendor arrangement, similar to DHL's current contracts under which ABX Air and ASTAR Air Cargo fly DHL packages nightly from Wilmington. Replacing ABX and ASTAR with UPS would shift the cargo sorting and flying work to UPS' hub at Louisville, Ky.
DHL projects a $1 billion loss on its U.S. cargo operations this year, but says it needs to continue operating in the United States as a key part of its global delivery network. DHL has forecast that hiring UPS would reduce DHL's U.S. losses to $900 million in 2009, $500 million in 2010 and $300 million in 2011.
DHL said it would also save money by reducing its U.S. delivery network capacity.
"The purpose of our restructuring plan is to build a stronger foundation for sustained operations in the U.S.," Jonathan Baker, a DHL public relations representative, wrote in an e-mailed answer to a reporter's questions. "To do this, a new operating model is required -- one that is better matched to the current economy and existing volumes.
"Both rising fuel prices and the downturn in the U.S. economy have had a significant impact on our operations and on the nature and timing of our restructuring plans," Baker wrote.
(Article courtesy of Dayton Daily News | Dayton, Ohio, News and Information)
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UPS: Likely No Major Wilmington Impact Until Next Year
By Tom Michaels - Host, Anchor, Reporter@ August 4, 2008 6:02 AM Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0)
WILMINGTON, Ohio -- One of the big questions about DHL's proposal to hire United Parcel Service to fly its express delivery packages nationwide is how soon it will start taking away jobs from Wilmington, from where the ABX Air and ASTAR Air Cargo airlines now fly DHL's U.S. cargo.
Ohio officials estimate that a DHL shift to UPS will cost at least 8,000 jobs at DHL's Wilmington air freight hub, a major regional employer. A UPS spokesman said it could be "well into next year" before any changes are noticeable.
DHL said on May 28 that it hoped to work out a contract with UPS within three months and to start making changes in DHL's delivery network beginning later this year.
But that timetable may be unrealistic, because of the complexities of negotiating a deal and putting it into effect, UPS spokesman Norman Black said. UPS is unlikely to begin flying significant amounts of DHL cargo until well into 2009, Black said in a telephone interview last week from his Atlanta office.
"Bottom line is, we expect to be able to negotiate an agreement by the end of this year," Black said. "We, as a vendor, can't build a new operational plan for them until we've got an agreement, until they share information with us about their network and their package flows."
Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher said DHL hasn't given Ohio any new information about the timetable for the proposed deal with UPS.
Fisher made a personal visit to the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington on July 10 to explain Ohio's position that a DHL deal with its rival UPS would reduce competition in the U.S. express delivery market and potentially violate antitrust laws designed to promote competitive markets. If regulators agree, the federal government could join Ohio in a possible antitrust lawsuit against DHL, or Ohio could go it alone under the state's own antitrust law, Fisher said.
Fisher said Justice Department officials told him they had started collecting information about the proposed DHL-UPS deal, but could not start any antitrust investigation until DHL and UPS have a deal in place.
"We are being relentless in our efforts to explore how we can stop this transaction, on multiple fronts," Fisher said.
Ohio would be willing to work with DHL on ways to help reduce its operating costs, but only if the company backs away from the UPS deal and commits to staying in Wilmington, Fisher said. DHL has said it is committed to a deal with UPS.
With the Bush administration scheduled to relinquish power in January 2009, Ohio officials have covered their bases by also bringing their concerns about DHL and the Wilmington jobs to the attention of both major-party presidential candidates, Fisher said. Republican John McCain plans to go to Wilmington in early August for a campaign trip to DHL. Democrat Barack Obama recently met with Wilmington's mayor and workers at DHL.
Ohio has also asked the U.S. Department of Transportation to consider using its authority, independent of an antitrust case, to stop the proposed UPS-DHL deal on grounds it would have negative effect on the U.S. shipping market. Ohio is awaiting responses from both federal agencies.
DHL and UPS say there is no antitrust issue and no need for any government approval. They say it would be a customer-vendor arrangement, similar to DHL's current contracts under which ABX Air and ASTAR Air Cargo fly DHL packages nightly from Wilmington. Replacing ABX and ASTAR with UPS would shift the cargo sorting and flying work to UPS' hub at Louisville, Ky.
DHL projects a $1 billion loss on its U.S. cargo operations this year, but says it needs to continue operating in the United States as a key part of its global delivery network. DHL has forecast that hiring UPS would reduce DHL's U.S. losses to $900 million in 2009, $500 million in 2010 and $300 million in 2011.
DHL said it would also save money by reducing its U.S. delivery network capacity.
"The purpose of our restructuring plan is to build a stronger foundation for sustained operations in the U.S.," Jonathan Baker, a DHL public relations representative, wrote in an e-mailed answer to a reporter's questions. "To do this, a new operating model is required -- one that is better matched to the current economy and existing volumes.
"Both rising fuel prices and the downturn in the U.S. economy have had a significant impact on our operations and on the nature and timing of our restructuring plans," Baker wrote.
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08-04-2008, 07:02 AM
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Why's that? Our scope is in an American agreement between an American union and an American company under the American RLA, and if there are disputes it goes to an American grievance process or American arbitrator. If there is a company/union dispute about geographic issues regarding the contract, it goes to a domestic grievance process for interpretation. You would have a valid point if the IPA were to take up any issues with a German court, but it won't work like that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong....
