New HKG F/O Posting out Today
08-22-2008, 10:56 AM
#191
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 224
I'm confused on this "purple nuggets screwed up the seniority" debate. Wasn't there a bid just prior to the the purple nugget program that had ANC F/O positions going unfilled? Meaning that any pilot on the seniority list, including the most junior 727FE, could have held ANC if they wanted to?
Likewise, if the HKG seats go unfilled, and have to be manned with newhires, are there going to be people on this board a year from now *****ing that the "purple eggrolls" came in and screwed up the seniority system?
Unless you bid the unfilled vacancy now, you lose the right to ***** about it later...
And no, I am not a nugget
Likewise, if the HKG seats go unfilled, and have to be manned with newhires, are there going to be people on this board a year from now *****ing that the "purple eggrolls" came in and screwed up the seniority system?
Unless you bid the unfilled vacancy now, you lose the right to ***** about it later...
And no, I am not a nugget
08-22-2008, 11:34 AM
#192
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,409
You're quoting a CP? Do you think that gives more or less weight to your statements?
The reality is crappy junior lines and an infamous VTO scheduler for ANC "Screwed up the seniority system" and made ANC go so junior the company had to hire off the street to fill it. Perhaps a lack of a COLA as well. On the contrary, the seniority system was operating just as it should. Don't be fooled by any CP Jedi mind tricks.
Sure the nuggets are "lucky". But they wouldn't have been hired if they weren't needed. I think we are at a draw here.
BTW, there are no excuses for doing DPs. NONE. We already have lots pairings that should be DPs but aren't because we keep flying them. I'd rather not have any more.
The reality is crappy junior lines and an infamous VTO scheduler for ANC "Screwed up the seniority system" and made ANC go so junior the company had to hire off the street to fill it. Perhaps a lack of a COLA as well. On the contrary, the seniority system was operating just as it should. Don't be fooled by any CP Jedi mind tricks.
Sure the nuggets are "lucky". But they wouldn't have been hired if they weren't needed. I think we are at a draw here.
BTW, there are no excuses for doing DPs. NONE. We already have lots pairings that should be DPs but aren't because we keep flying them. I'd rather not have any more.
08-22-2008, 01:31 PM
#195
Slainge Var'
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Zeppelin Tail Gunner
Posts: 1,530
08-22-2008, 02:28 PM
#198
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,931
Nobody is faulting the "ANC guys that were hired into the right seat of the MD-11" (That is the politically correct term for them). I love these guys and think they all do a great job. I along with others I know literally spent thousands of dollars on beer for them while they were on probation. You just roll the dice when you put yourself in that position. However, it is a great way for a new guy to make a lot of money, along with him choosing to fly disputed pairings when nobody else is...
FR8Hauler,
Thanks for taking care of the junior guys and gals. You are one of the good ones.
JL and others work hard to put twisted logic out there just to get it repeated until we all think it's gospel. The blame game for the failed excess bids is in full swing and I'm all for stamping it out when I can. Our declared pilot manning problems can't possibly be due to any management missteps. Must be due to ALPA or greedy pilots. I don't subscribe to either of those popular management held theories. The subtle intent is to favor solutions to our problems that don't reward pilots because this mess is "their fault".
Thanks for helping to make this a better place.
Last edited by Gunter; 08-22-2008 at 02:44 PM.
08-22-2008, 06:06 PM
#199
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,409
FR8Hauler,
Thanks for taking care of the junior guys and gals. You are one of the good ones.
JL and others work hard to put twisted logic out there just to get it repeated until we all think it's gospel. The blame game for the failed excess bids is in full swing and I'm all for stamping it out when I can. Our declared pilot manning problems can't possibly be due to any management missteps. Must be due to ALPA or greedy pilots. I don't subscribe to either of those popular management held theories. The subtle intent is to favor solutions to our problems that don't reward pilots because this mess is "their fault".
Thanks for helping to make this a better place.
Thanks for taking care of the junior guys and gals. You are one of the good ones.
JL and others work hard to put twisted logic out there just to get it repeated until we all think it's gospel. The blame game for the failed excess bids is in full swing and I'm all for stamping it out when I can. Our declared pilot manning problems can't possibly be due to any management missteps. Must be due to ALPA or greedy pilots. I don't subscribe to either of those popular management held theories. The subtle intent is to favor solutions to our problems that don't reward pilots because this mess is "their fault".
Thanks for helping to make this a better place.
08-22-2008, 09:49 PM
#200
Proponent of Hysteria
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: "Part of the problem." : JL
Posts: 1,054
I still can't get over his "if you could hold captain for the last two years and haven't upgraded you are part of the problem blah blah blah" rant to FOs.
I forwarded that email to every friend I have at other US airlines and they couldn't believe that's how we get spoken to around here.
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