New HKG F/O Posting out Today
08-22-2008, 04:46 AM
#181
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No, I do not think that was JJ's point.
Pretty funny posts if that is really Olly flying the DP.
08-22-2008, 05:55 AM
#182
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Wow! 3, 4, or even 5 years?!?!? It's a good thing the retirement age didn't get upped to 65... you might have had 8, 9, or even 10 years, sitting sideways in the 727, suffering through a crappy reserve system. So pleeease, no lectures.
08-22-2008, 08:15 AM
#184
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How did the nuggets screw up the seniority system? There is a mix of junior/senior pilots in all widebody seats. If a pilot wanted md-11/anc he could have bid it, and received passover until he was trained behind the nuggets. Once there he would be senior.
I'm a nugget in anc and have been going backwards for over two years. Furthermore, the company, and alpa reps parroting them, that it's cheaper to have a straight seniority airline is patently false. Break out a .xls and plug in a 10 yr md-11 cap pay vs a 15 yr 727 cap, a 2 year md-11 f/o vs a 6 year 727 f/o. Based on Straight pay alone, it's cheaper to man junior pilots. When you factor in vacation it makes it more evident. The best a straight seniority system does is break even, but then loses when you add vacation.
I'm a nugget in anc and have been going backwards for over two years. Furthermore, the company, and alpa reps parroting them, that it's cheaper to have a straight seniority airline is patently false. Break out a .xls and plug in a 10 yr md-11 cap pay vs a 15 yr 727 cap, a 2 year md-11 f/o vs a 6 year 727 f/o. Based on Straight pay alone, it's cheaper to man junior pilots. When you factor in vacation it makes it more evident. The best a straight seniority system does is break even, but then loses when you add vacation.
Last edited by FR8Hauler; 08-22-2008 at 08:20 AM.
08-22-2008, 09:26 AM
#186
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Originally Posted by FR8Hauler
And yes it (Purple nugget program) screwed up the senority system as we saw with the last proposed excess bid.
And yes it (Purple nugget program) screwed up the senority system as we saw with the last proposed excess bid.
You're quoting a CP? Do you think that gives more or less weight to your statements?
The reality is crappy junior lines and an infamous VTO scheduler for ANC "Screwed up the seniority system" and made ANC go so junior the company had to hire off the street to fill it. Perhaps a lack of a COLA as well. On the contrary, the seniority system was operating just as it should. Don't be fooled by any CP Jedi mind tricks.
Sure the nuggets are "lucky". But they wouldn't have been hired if they weren't needed. I think we are at a draw here.
BTW, there are no excuses for doing DPs. NONE. We already have lots pairings that should be DPs but aren't because we keep flying them. I'd rather not have any more.
Last edited by Gunter; 08-22-2008 at 09:32 AM.
08-22-2008, 09:40 AM
#187
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You're absolutely correct! That goes for pretty much everything that happens around here, including the age change and all the grief that goes along with it. Just because some don't benefit as much as others is, in fact, irrelevant.
08-22-2008, 10:03 AM
#189
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