FedEx 58 Hour BLG
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some valid points ... correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the first contract focused the obra bridge for the older guys, then we got the veba to help the older guys for their retirement... now we're at it again with the old guys.. when do we take care of our young? ( can we call them the silent majority?)
flame away fellow old guys...
flame away fellow old guys...
The Obra bridge raised the Top end limit for which our A-plan 2% per year was calculated. In 1997 the Cap was $150,000. which means that No FedEx pilot could make in excess of $75,000/year.
Currently our contract OBRA Bridge limit is $260,000 which means a $130,000 /yr retirement. That deal was signed over 10 years ago. So that only benefited "Senior Guys " ?
The B plan both in Contract 1 and our current contract is by far more benefit to the Junior half than the senior.
If you want to flame the Union, be my guest, but at least get your facts straight. Creating the OBRA Bridge was good for all of us.
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Actually MD10PLT, I felt about like you did in March. Then I saw the committment of the MEC...including the most senior block reps...to make sure that we did everything we could to protect the junior guys in a downturn. I've seen some of the letters they have sent to their constituents when those folks complained about BLG reductions, etc., and I have to say that I have been impressed with the committment to stick together.
Busboy's comment above is spot on IMHO. Its okay to be mad...I'm mad too at times. But its what we do next that counts...
I can't fix the age 60 change or the LOA shortfalls. But I am committed to staying engaged and doing all I can on the issues we'll face the next couple years...including the 2010 contract.
Busboy's comment above is spot on IMHO. Its okay to be mad...I'm mad too at times. But its what we do next that counts...
I can't fix the age 60 change or the LOA shortfalls. But I am committed to staying engaged and doing all I can on the issues we'll face the next couple years...including the 2010 contract.
I understand what you are saying, but for DW the impression is now the reality for many guys (myself included). When I see him I am filled with disgust. Guys literally stand at the trip folder cracking on him when he is walking around the crew room.
Even if we were to all stipulate that what he did was "the right thing to do" we would also have to agree that it was divisive. In a unity driven organization, we cannot have a leader who is unable to get the group moving in one direction. For the MEC to be unwilling to ask him to step aside for the sake of the group during one of our most challenging times (with at least some of the problem caused by him) seems tone deaf. If I thought he was a great leader, I would still tell him it is time to go. I have even talked to a few of his friends who agree, they just don't want to be the one.
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the 07 version...and don't mind r1200rt...he thinks by saying i'm fat people believe him and will take attention away from the combover he has....i think he wishes i was fat so it would put his mind at ease that he is sooooooo junior to me...but his wife is making a great birthday dinner for me so i won't complain!
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the 07 version...and don't mind r1200rt...he thinks by saying i'm fat people believe him and will take attention away from the combover he has....i think he wishes i was fat so it would put his mind at ease that he is sooooooo junior to me...but his wife is making a great birthday dinner for me so i won't complain!![Smile](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)
the 07 version...and don't mind r1200rt...he thinks by saying i'm fat people believe him and will take attention away from the combover he has....i think he wishes i was fat so it would put his mind at ease that he is sooooooo junior to me...but his wife is making a great birthday dinner for me so i won't complain!
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When all of us, including the NDs were hired...Your "pilot" seniority number expired at age 60. About 150 of our ND's had expired pilot seniority numbers. They were using Flt. Engineer seniority numbers, literally(most of which didn't match their old PILOT seniority numbers). Our MEC pressed to have those guys given their pilot seniority numbers back. Had they not pressed for retro, they still would not have pilot seniority numbers. Their "regulated age" still would have been age 60. Those age 60, after the change, would have had a regulated age of 65. Just as any UAL, DAL, CAL, etc. pilot that turned age 60 on Dec 12, had a regulated age of 60. A guy born a day later, has a regulated age of 65.
Of course, we all know that. And, it's water under the bridge. It just seems that the tide keeps bringing it back upstream, sometimes.
Of course, we all know that. And, it's water under the bridge. It just seems that the tide keeps bringing it back upstream, sometimes.
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