AerisArmis

Is your point that they will not take care of themselves first?

FDXLAG

Looks senior to me, but I'm a quaility of life bidder.

Busboy

No. My point is that much of the tone on these boards would lead you to believe that our leadership is only interested in taking care of themselves and their buddies. As if, they themselves are reaping some kind of reward by the ND's coming back to the front seat.

Well, based on their numbers...I'd say just about every ND is senior to WR, most WB Capt. ND's are senior to DM, and DW...OK, he is senior.

I didn't, and still don't, agree with their decision on retro. But, I don't think they made that decision based on greed or self promotion. No pun intended. I don't see what they would have to gain by helping to institute the bogus return(727 excess) of ND's to the front seats.

I'm just not sure there's much they can do about it.

fedupbusdriver

The only thing that they have to gain is protecting seniority. That is their job.

hschol

Dirty Pool, comes to mind.

nightfreight

Busboy,

If they think they were protecting seniority, I think they were smoking crack. Sure they were on our seniority list, but it doesn't mean that they were supposed to sacrifice everyone else on the list. They got 25K for retirement health care. That was "targeted", much like this support for retoactivity. "Special rights for special people." Just because a group is on our list means that we will "protect" their rights at the expense of the rest of us. I am financing retroactivity by losing my widebody FO slot and losing 20K. How many of us can say that 100 guys caused us to lose our position? Is that "protecting" seniority? Let's see, do we see any of these special people "helping out" by retiring to help the hundreds that are being displaced (and taking huge paycuts, and possible furloughs)? These guys could give a rats ass about the rest of us and our troubles, as long as they got theirs.

If you guys think this is protecting seniority, you need to wake up. How about we give guys over 60 a huge raise and take a pay cut to support it.

Did FDX ALPA believe this? Are they really this stupid?

Busboy

Uhhhh...I think you're preaching to the choir there, nightfreight.

I said that I didn't and still don't agree with their decision on retro.

I was just trying to point out that our leadership is not reaping some kind of reward, themselves, by their decision on retro. And would have no personal reason to push for bogus bids to get the ND's back up front.

Many posts here insinuate that our leadership is "senior". I don't agree with that.

nightfreight

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Busboy

Wonder if anyone has thought to ask the company if they'd be interested in CBA 23.A.1.b?

Prior to the issuance of furlough notices, the Company may offer voluntary furloughs. The Company may limit the offer to 1 or more designated crew statuses. Voluntary furloughs shall be granted in order of system seniority. The Company shall make best efforts to provide pilots at least 30 calendar days notice of the offer of voluntary furloughs, with a copy to the Association.


They could limit the offer to a "designated crew status" of ND. I'm sure they would do the right thing and accept the voluntary furlough...Until we're out of these difficult economic times.

Then we could all just get along, again.

Gunter

Do you guys think the MEC is the top 3 officers? When DW gets marching orders to do things its from WR?

I thought the MEC is made up of all the LEC chairman. DW is the chairman and usually follows the MECs recommendations.

Someone let me know if it is otherwise.