FDX - I love this logic!?!
06-14-2008, 02:57 PM
#41
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I'd bet my 2% that if BC, DW and the NC had accepted the company's offer of a single payrate that this excess would be minor - if at all. Plus the bids for the B777 could be already open and posted to relieve this excess.
And if you got excessed, going from MD11 Capt to B727 capt - who cares, the pay would have been the same! Yeah a training cycle sucks, noisy jet with no FMS sucks but at least financially it would be kosher. For a guys going from F/O to S/O that W/B S/O rate would be much better as well.
06-14-2008, 04:22 PM
#42
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Maybe like UPS we should have ONE payrate!!! Yes there are some guys at UPS who are taking it in the shorts like we are (displaced from Capt to F/O).
I'd bet my 2% that if BC, DW and the NC had accepted the company's offer of a single payrate that this excess would be minor - if at all. Plus the bids for the B777 could be already open and posted to relieve this excess.
And if you got excessed, going from MD11 Capt to B727 capt - who cares, the pay would have been the same! Yeah a training cycle sucks, noisy jet with no FMS sucks but at least financially it would be kosher. For a guys going from F/O to S/O that W/B S/O rate would be much better as well.
I'd bet my 2% that if BC, DW and the NC had accepted the company's offer of a single payrate that this excess would be minor - if at all. Plus the bids for the B777 could be already open and posted to relieve this excess.
And if you got excessed, going from MD11 Capt to B727 capt - who cares, the pay would have been the same! Yeah a training cycle sucks, noisy jet with no FMS sucks but at least financially it would be kosher. For a guys going from F/O to S/O that W/B S/O rate would be much better as well.
06-14-2008, 06:32 PM
#43
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217 CA = 2.89 per plane in May 2010.
239 FO = 3.18 per plane in May 2010.
06-14-2008, 07:02 PM
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If the fleet plan remains the same, how are we gonna operate the 727s with such low manning? I am not asking you personally Nugget. I just saw the numbers you posted and thought something didn't add up...
217 CA = 2.89 per plane in May 2010.
239 FO = 3.18 per plane in May 2010.
217 CA = 2.89 per plane in May 2010.
239 FO = 3.18 per plane in May 2010.
06-14-2008, 08:40 PM
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06-14-2008, 09:29 PM
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I don't know the answer, but with fuel at record highs and predicted to be in this state for at least 2 years(Energy Dept.) and the likelihood that the 757 program will be up and likely stabilized in that timeframe, it wouldn't surprise me to see less 727's around than what is presently predicted. While I'm sure much of this stuff is reactionary, the company may know more about the future fleet plan and staffing then they are letting on at present. All I was really getting at was that perhaps the answer to your thin 727 staffing question is more obvious than you think.
06-14-2008, 10:34 PM
#48
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If the fleet plan remains the same, how are we gonna operate the 727s with such low manning? I am not asking you personally Nugget. I just saw the numbers you posted and thought something didn't add up...
217 CA = 2.89 per plane in May 2010.
239 FO = 3.18 per plane in May 2010.
217 CA = 2.89 per plane in May 2010.
239 FO = 3.18 per plane in May 2010.
06-14-2008, 11:51 PM
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the numbers
Purple Nug,
flew with a flex guy. he said the flex and lca's are not included in the percentiles. he said he just has to keep track on his own. don't know why they bother putting it out then.
i tried to figure out if the sca's and office types were in there, some were some weren't. hope that helps. spreadsheets are nice. i count 500 so's 392 plus the 199?
flew with a flex guy. he said the flex and lca's are not included in the percentiles. he said he just has to keep track on his own. don't know why they bother putting it out then.
i tried to figure out if the sca's and office types were in there, some were some weren't. hope that helps. spreadsheets are nice. i count 500 so's 392 plus the 199?
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