FDX-What 1 excess means
06-16-2008, 05:43 PM
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So here is a seniority based question... Let's just say someone gets sent from WB (MD/Bus) to NB (Boeing). So who goes to training first, the higher seniority guy or gal like in regular/past bids? If that is the case, the junior guy/gal gets to stay in their WB seat longer??? Or in this particular bid with getting excessed and sent packing to the NB, does training start in reverse order so more senior guys get to stay at the higher paying seat longer?
And let me add my personal rant, thanks DW and retro! This is completely stupid, and a good majority of reverse movement is caused by retro. I am just glad it was the right thing to do to screw with so many of our lives to get the older guys back to their front seats. What a crock!
And let me add my personal rant, thanks DW and retro! This is completely stupid, and a good majority of reverse movement is caused by retro. I am just glad it was the right thing to do to screw with so many of our lives to get the older guys back to their front seats. What a crock!
06-16-2008, 06:08 PM
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So here is a seniority based question... Let's just say someone gets sent from WB (MD/Bus) to NB (Boeing). So who goes to training first, the higher seniority guy or gal like in regular/past bids? If that is the case, the junior guy/gal gets to stay in their WB seat longer??? Or in this particular bid with getting excessed and sent packing to the NB, does training start in reverse order so more senior guys get to stay at the higher paying seat longer?
And let me add my personal rant, thanks DW and retro! This is completely stupid, and a good majority of reverse movement is caused by retro. I am just glad it was the right thing to do to screw with so many of our lives to get the older guys back to their front seats. What a crock!
And let me add my personal rant, thanks DW and retro! This is completely stupid, and a good majority of reverse movement is caused by retro. I am just glad it was the right thing to do to screw with so many of our lives to get the older guys back to their front seats. What a crock!
6. Excess Crew Positions
a. Pilots shall be excessed from crew positions in seniority order from among those pilots who bid to relieve that excess. If an insufficient number of pilots bid to relieve a crew position posted as excess, pilots shall be excessed from that crew position in reverse seniority order.
You go in seniority order if you bid to relieve excess.
06-16-2008, 06:18 PM
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You are right Subic, thanks for pointing it out that it was in the contract. Thanks as well for the information and the clarification.
I am sorry I am not lawyer enough to really understand the contract in this case and how it reads exactly on seniority training. This type of bid really hasn't been done before as I am aware of and I am sure I am not the only one that didn't know the answer.
And just to clarify, as you read and quote the contract, if you are forced back, you are still sent in seniority order?
I am sorry I am not lawyer enough to really understand the contract in this case and how it reads exactly on seniority training. This type of bid really hasn't been done before as I am aware of and I am sure I am not the only one that didn't know the answer.
And just to clarify, as you read and quote the contract, if you are forced back, you are still sent in seniority order?
06-16-2008, 06:31 PM
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Question for some of the more senior guys - has an excess like this ever happened in FDX's history? I know a lot of the older guys whine about having been furloughed at earlier airlines but I'm curious if anyone here has ever moved backward? After the Tiger merger was there actual movement backwards (i.e. left seat to right seat, etc)?
06-16-2008, 07:00 PM
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Osmosis,
Bid to relieve excess = "I want to leave my current seat asap." Therefore, pilots are moved in seniority order.
Excessed = "I want to stay in my current seat as long as possible." Therefore, pilots are moved in inverse seniority order.
Hope that helps.
Bid to relieve excess = "I want to leave my current seat asap." Therefore, pilots are moved in seniority order.
Excessed = "I want to stay in my current seat as long as possible." Therefore, pilots are moved in inverse seniority order.
Hope that helps.
06-16-2008, 07:01 PM
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Cut and pasted directly from the CBA. I'm not sure osmosis works with it. You actually have to read it...
a. Pilots shall be excessed from crew positions in seniority order from among those pilots who bid to relieve that excess. If an insufficient number of pilots bid to relieve a crew position posted as excess, pilots shall be excessed from that crew position in reverse seniority order.
You go in seniority order if you bid to relieve excess.
6. Excess Crew Positions
a. Pilots shall be excessed from crew positions in seniority order from among those pilots who bid to relieve that excess. If an insufficient number of pilots bid to relieve a crew position posted as excess, pilots shall be excessed from that crew position in reverse seniority order.
You go in seniority order if you bid to relieve excess.
06-16-2008, 07:04 PM
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06-16-2008, 07:23 PM
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24.D.3. Training Due To Excess
a. Pilots involuntarily excessed from a crew status shall be scheduled for training in reverse seniority order. Application of this paragraph shall not trigger passover pay for the involuntarily excessed pilots.
a. Pilots involuntarily excessed from a crew status shall be scheduled for training in reverse seniority order. Application of this paragraph shall not trigger passover pay for the involuntarily excessed pilots.
06-16-2008, 09:12 PM
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Judging by what is happening to the excessed Subic pilots, this paragraph isn't being applied in every instance. It looks more like it's up to the company to decide who to train based on what seat they are filling and/or what seat they are leaving.
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