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06-08-2008, 06:14 AM
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06-08-2008, 09:35 AM
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I spoke with JP about it and they are looking at pulling 8-11 a/c out of long term storage. I think we actually have a few here on our ramp in some state of "storage". Big picture is the company is going short of F/E's on the 8 due to the amount of over 60 F/E's bidding to the front. Plus, the time lag required to train and get them through IOE PRIOR to the end of the year. He said the company was looking at renting DC8 sims as well.
The above is the best that I remember as the conversation was 8-10 days ago.
Just what is the definition of "is"...
The above is the best that I remember as the conversation was 8-10 days ago.
Just what is the definition of "is"...
06-08-2008, 10:38 AM
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So simple math:
10 DC-8s
3 pilots per plane
3-5 crews per plane - average 4
3 pilots X 4 crews X 10 frames = 120 +/-
Plus 30 74-4 ANC vacancies (expected +/-).
40+30 = 150
150-57 74 Classic displacements = 93
With "fudge factor" = 80-95 vacant slots by the end of the displacement.
How many were in the pool again?
10 DC-8s
3 pilots per plane
3-5 crews per plane - average 4
3 pilots X 4 crews X 10 frames = 120 +/-
Plus 30 74-4 ANC vacancies (expected +/-).
40+30 = 150
150-57 74 Classic displacements = 93
With "fudge factor" = 80-95 vacant slots by the end of the displacement.
How many were in the pool again?
Last edited by ERJ Jay; 06-09-2008 at 08:20 AM. Reason: not thinking when posting
06-08-2008, 11:00 AM
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So simple math:
10 DC-8s
3 pilots per plane
3-5 crews per plane - average 4
3 pilots X 4 crews X 10 frames = 40 +/-
Plus 30 74-4 ANC vacancies (expected +/-).
40+30 = 70
70-57 74 Classic displacements = 13
With "fudge factor" = 20-25 vacant slots by the end of the displacement.
How many were in the pool again?
10 DC-8s
3 pilots per plane
3-5 crews per plane - average 4
3 pilots X 4 crews X 10 frames = 40 +/-
Plus 30 74-4 ANC vacancies (expected +/-).
40+30 = 70
70-57 74 Classic displacements = 13
With "fudge factor" = 20-25 vacant slots by the end of the displacement.
How many were in the pool again?
As for the DC8 being fuel inefficient, I think the fact that they are owned helps make operating them a bit more bearable. We can haul A LOT, quickly, and fairly realiably. Putting them out to pasture is losing a lot of lift capability. Their days, though, are numbered. But if this deal materializes, then we will get another stay of execution! <G>
06-08-2008, 11:28 AM
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Don't mean to rain on your parade, but don't forget that when these a/c were put into storage, the DC8 pilot ranks were not changed. What will make a difference is utilization. If we get extra flying, beyond that which we were doing prior to their retirement, then we may see some hiring. I could, though, see the need for some FE's. That is a real possibility. Will they come from newhires or displacements is yet to be seen.
As for the DC8 being fuel inefficient, I think the fact that they are owned helps make operating them a bit more bearable. We can haul A LOT, quickly, and fairly realiably. Putting them out to pasture is losing a lot of lift capability. Their days, though, are numbered. But if this deal materializes, then we will get another stay of execution! <G>
As for the DC8 being fuel inefficient, I think the fact that they are owned helps make operating them a bit more bearable. We can haul A LOT, quickly, and fairly realiably. Putting them out to pasture is losing a lot of lift capability. Their days, though, are numbered. But if this deal materializes, then we will get another stay of execution! <G>
Now I wonder what would happen if the next round of vacancies had unfilled ANC F/O slots? Would the company allow the F/E's still on probation to fill them creating more vacancies on the 8? Will they pay the over 60 guys to stay put and defer their upgrades? Or will they displace from the right seat of the MD ANC to the 400 (would save them on TDY per diem, hotels, AND move packages...)?
06-08-2008, 12:45 PM
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I think the ANC FO slots will not all be taken in the upcoming Vacancy Realignment 08-103 bid, but the subsequent 747-Classic displacement will take care of that, along with more to the DC8 FE.
Last edited by Roberto; 06-08-2008 at 12:50 PM.
06-08-2008, 12:57 PM
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If you previously published the answer to this I apologize in advance. If the subsequent displacement bid moves probation guys onto the panel, then where will the displacement 400 F/O's originate from?
I would think you could only squeeze so much out of the system / probation guys before you run out of them (they are either on the panel or in an ANC F/O position already.
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06-08-2008, 01:00 PM
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The Feds still have the three DC-8s grounded due to paperwork issues. Rumor is that there are another 18 DC-8s with incomplete logbooks (Hurstborne put all the logbooks on microfiche and destroyed the paper logbooks and now they can't find ALL the micofiche) that the FAA might be investigating. Plus, most the ROW stored DC-8s have been picked for parts and may not be able to be returned to flight status.
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