hvydriver

Miller is an ass for rejoicing that the UPS pilot group will grow, while the #3 and #4 highest paid pilot groups in the US are put out of work to fuel it. This industry is well and truly screwed.

UPSFO4LIFE

Louisville Mayor Jerry Abramson said the DHL/UPS agreement could provide “some real opportunities for Louisville.”

I guess the mayor is an ass too for rejoicing over possible opportunities for the city. This was an internal memo for IPA pilots that actually contained some good news for a change. It sucks that some may lose their jobs, but what else would you expect the head of the union to say. The thing was just annouced today, and nobody knows how this will all play out.

hvydriver

I expect nothing except UPS people to act like UPS people. He didn't even express any regret at our demise. That's poor in anyone's book.

UPSFO4LIFE

And just like all us job stealing *******s here at UPS, I would still hire every pilot that loses his or her job because of this. And I think most every other IPA pilot would feel the same.

hvydriver

Maybe you would. Don't see anything from Miller about that though. I'm done.

bifff15

HVY,

Okay, maybe I'm a little slow but what did you expect? Are we in this together? No, we aren't. This entire airline profession is like a huge brotherhood which should not be confused for business acumen by one companies management over any others.

Do you get ****ed at SWA pilots because the price their company charges for tickets is going to most likely help put a legacy or two in the grave this year? While we all get along on layovers, jumpseating or in any other social setting DO NOT FORGET that companies are at war (SWA is winning due to very savy fuel hedging amoung other things).

I'm an ex UAL pilot who gave up 10+ years of seniority last year to go Brown. I don't hate or even dislike the union leadership at SWA / Brand X because their company is driving others out of business. It's war between companies, nothing more nothing less.

No, I'm not a heartless bastard and feel for anyone who loses or is about to lose a job. Nor is anyone else with a shred of decency regardless of airline. We all made our choices based on the best data we had, or job offers, location or whatever. We ALL feel bad when one company goes under. I personally wrote 13 letters of rec (12 successful) for guys at UAL and think they are on some very thin ice due to the price of fuel.

Hell, I saw the writing on the wall (job security wise) and walked the walk. Going Brown is personally costing me a tremendous amount of money over the first several years here but it's the long run that one must focus on and strive to protect.

No one on here is rejoicing at your companies straits or your personal position.

Biff

Diesel 10

Just a FDXer's viewpoint, but Miller represents the pilots of the IPA, and nobody else. You guys are contractors, with most of your flying hanging on just one customer. Since when did you think you had a guaranteed gig with your DHL U.S.A. flying?

I truly understand your disappointment in this news. But since it does benefit the pilots of UPS, what else were you expecting their union to say? "SAD NEWS, ASTAR and ABX COULD POSSIBLY GO UNDER IF THEIR MANAGEMENT CAN'T FIND THEM NEW LINES OF BUSINESS"?

In my judgment you are way too premature to surmise that Astar and ABX will be put out of business anyway.

hvydriver

Actually, neither Astar or ABX were "contractors" as you so elegantly put it, till the Germans bought DHL and ABX. We both were the airline for DHL/ABX respectively. With scope clauses, till the spinoffs. Pilots eat their own.

bifff15

HVY,

I'm not familiar with how things have progressed at either DHL / ABX here in the states. Explain how in this situation pilots are eating their own please.

Biff

Jetpilot

Gloating is a bit of a reach, and keep in mind this was a newsletter to a closed audience, the IPA membership, not front page on the USA Today. Beyond that I'm sure he's worried about keeping the flying from falling into into non flying or even charter hands first, see the Menlo purchase. I'm also fairly certain as this moves forward he'll do what he can about preferential hiring.

Beyond that sorry about the tough break, and good luck getting on at Brown or elsewhere!