iarapilot

Yep, I will see you there. I will let you use my rusty razor blade when I am done with it!

Cosnuts

Underdog is right. As MP confirmed, the Company and Union changed the rules for bidding retroactively. Why should he have put a laundry list of choices when he only needed to select one? Underdog was covered under the CBA until the "setlement" changed the CBA . . . . after the fact.

Albief15

Actually, what happened was the company offered guys an option that was not covered in the contract. All the settlement did was enforce ALL provisions of the CBA, not just the ones the company wanted to follow. The settlement that knocked some guys off the HKG seat because it was not in their standing bid also provided passover and options to a bunch of guys who bid domestic that were getting left behind.

If you want to make changes to the contract--super. Send the NC your inputs. But the deal MP "offered" those guys who bid CDG without a HKG backup was NOT in the contract. Nobody wishes malice towards those individuals, but if THEY get to bid because "if they had only known..." then it opens a huge Pandora's box for everyone else who wanted a "do over" on a bid.

Not meaning to turn this into a "he said, she said" thread but call your rep if you have questions. The lesson that everyone should take from this is your standing bid needs to be done with a lot of thought. Even if you can HOLD choice 1, choices 2 through choice X can be important when things change. I would have probably gooned this up too, but I'll file that lesson away and try to keep in mind for future considerations.

TonyC

I know it's not particularly easy reading, but it did not change the CBA.


Coulda' woulda's have never counted before, and they still don't.





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2cylinderdriver

I don't quite understand MP's statement here. I did not see anything in the agreement that made the Company decide not to allow an excess into an FDA, because that is what is happening to you. You are a DC10 CA and want to bid HKG on an excess, I would argue that the Company has determined HKG CA is full and they are not allowing excess pilot to bid it.

The settlement reads that the restriction on excess into an FDA is allowed, but the Company can turn around and then declare an excess in the FDA if they so choose. This is all in reference to canceled awards, your issue is straight out of the CBA, MP is blaming the Union for requiring compliance with the CBA...

From the settlement:


The pilot’s excess status, however, shall not be limited by the prohibition in Section 24.C.6.c. The parties recognize that the Company may declare an excess at an FDA following the awards or assignments.

CBA

Except as provided in Section 24.C.6.b., a pilot who has been excessed, or who has bid to relieve an excess, shall be awarded another permanent crew position in accordance with his seniority and standing bid; provided, however, no pilot may be awarded or assigned a crew position at an FDA base that would cause an excess at that base.

The only way per the CBA they could award you HKG is if there are vacancies created by people bidding out since there are no primary's in this FDA on 08-02.

I just do not see how MP can put the blame on the Union for not allowing an excess into an FDA ?

Good Luck.

BTW, your DC10 CA slot was not canceled, so you are correct you are simply bidding from the DC10 as an excess, not sure what other option you would have ?

BrownGirls YUM

Not 24.C.6.c.

Underdog

Let me set the record straight, MP didn't blame the union for anything. He merely told me that my standing bid, DC-10 Capt, meant that I was considered excessed, period. He went on to say that it would not have mattered whether I put other choices down or not(ie HKG Capt), because I did in fact get the DC-10. Therefore, I am an excess.

However, stating that the settlement merely enorced the CBA, I don't know if I can agree. First, if it did, why then did we need an additional settlement? Can't we just rely on the CBA? Also, why is it my HKG Captain award from practice bid #1 vanished after the settlement agreement? I can assure you, it did more than enforce the CBA, at least to one crewmember.

NoHaz

CBA did not require a look at what you had on your standing bid to exercise your seniority after an award cancel. Settlement does. So some that were awarded HKG Capt have now had that award pulled.