FDX - Contrarian View to Age 65
05-11-2008, 12:09 PM
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Me too ... I will vote no for ANY contract that doesn't have both. Regardless of what my MEC says is "the right thing to do."
05-11-2008, 01:13 PM
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OK Bandit let's assume you are correct and flying at night, or international long haul is not detrimental to your health past age 60 ---- but working past age 60 is detrimental to the 365 days of free time I would have otherwise.
May I suggest you work past 60 if you chose too, and let others retire at 60 if they chose.
High QOL is all about options ---- and I think we'd all agree it's best for us to control those options.
A'o Aloha!
May I suggest you work past 60 if you chose too, and let others retire at 60 if they chose.
High QOL is all about options ---- and I think we'd all agree it's best for us to control those options.
A'o Aloha!
05-11-2008, 01:18 PM
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http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/workschedules/
Yes it is bad and I'm not saying what we do most of the time is pleasant and a lot of us look like he!!. The stats just don't support the work till you die scenario.
I don't recall saying I was staying past 60 either.
Yes it is bad and I'm not saying what we do most of the time is pleasant and a lot of us look like he!!. The stats just don't support the work till you die scenario.
I don't recall saying I was staying past 60 either.
Shift work is terrible for your health. The longer and later in life you do it, the worse the effects.
05-11-2008, 01:18 PM
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...To get the company to buy off on funding the A Fund to keep 60 as the retirement age is going to be costly at not only this negotiation, but EVERY negotiation. Are you willing to take no pay raises for every contract negotiation to keep the ability to retire at age 60 without a penalty? ...The Age is 65, time to move on.
The company is saving big money on these guys working past 60. We need to calculate how much and document that up front...then "open" with a few items on our "wish list" in the spirit of all items being "cost nuetral"
(...Remember, the best defense can be a good offense.)
Additionally, "The Age" is not 65 ---- our retirement Age is 60 --- read the contract.
Perhpas it's time to "stand up" rather then "move on"
(...see sports analagoy above)
05-11-2008, 02:25 PM
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"Talk to them about the data of people working the backside of the clock when they are 65. I'll bet there is a lot of data on that....."
Actually there is, factories have been working around the clock for a long time.
Like I said sorry to oppose you feelings (you must be a 90s kind of guy..gal?)with facts.
Actually there is, factories have been working around the clock for a long time.
Like I said sorry to oppose you feelings (you must be a 90s kind of guy..gal?)with facts.
05-11-2008, 03:32 PM
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No - disagree. My Dad and all of his friends are right around 62-63 and they look pretty decent - all worked full careers not in flying. Compared to my Dad, most of our senior FDX Captains look awful - I'm not just talking about the folks walking around MEM during the am hub turn - I mean just about anyone. In fact when I fly with a 55+ guy that looks good I make particular note - and it's a rare thing. Obviously genetics and how you live your life make a big difference but taken as a group, our crew force does not age well compared to the rest of the US population - especially the college educated demographic we represent.
05-11-2008, 03:43 PM
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I will vote "NO" on any contract that changes this. Some of you are already willing to give up pay raises for something we already own, I am not. If we can't get a fair contract (and keep age 60 retirement), I will support the union and strike if need be.
Age 65 will do wonders for our retirement fund, which is a good thing. Many of these guys won't live to collect a dime. Those that live to 65 probably won't last long afterwards. It is a choice they are willing to make, so they will have to live with (irony) the consequences. Hopefully it will keep the pension fund strong for those of us that don't want to work for half pay or die early.
Age 65 will do wonders for our retirement fund, which is a good thing. Many of these guys won't live to collect a dime. Those that live to 65 probably won't last long afterwards. It is a choice they are willing to make, so they will have to live with (irony) the consequences. Hopefully it will keep the pension fund strong for those of us that don't want to work for half pay or die early.
05-11-2008, 04:08 PM
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I've been an advocate of a full un reduced retirement at 20 years of service for ages. Personally, I'd be gone in a heartbeat if it was 25 years w/o penalty. I'll have 25 FedEx years in at 57.
05-11-2008, 04:15 PM
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mrzog,
I don't believe you are correct, but I am no expert in the area. I believe that we can still retire at age 60 without any penalties... If this is correct, we would have to give away this benefit in negotiations.
Things change and any of us may choose to work past 60. It is a choice we can make, I just want the option to leave at 60 with my full retirement....
I don't believe you are correct, but I am no expert in the area. I believe that we can still retire at age 60 without any penalties... If this is correct, we would have to give away this benefit in negotiations.
Things change and any of us may choose to work past 60. It is a choice we can make, I just want the option to leave at 60 with my full retirement....
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