Whatever happened to living in Guangzhou?
05-04-2008, 11:03 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: DA-40
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In a previous life, working for our government and having to deal with and work with the Chinese government on various issues on a regular basis, I wouldn't recommend doing this until the "ice" has been broken for many years and they get used to Americans living among them.
The Chinese are a very pragmatic, and fickle, government---and they will do things very quickly when it suits them, then turn around and do something else, on what seems to us a whimzical basis---and no "court" is going to overturn the decisions of the governmental body (comprised of a few people). Business comes secondary to government. They won't care if they shut your ops down for whatever suits them at the moment.
Additionally, you have no rights. If a citizen has a beef with you ---the cops could bust into your house, take you and lock you up for a long time with no charges, no attorney, and no right to a speedy trial---and all they would have to say was that you were pro-Tibet or whatever---and our embassy is SORELY lacking in helping our citizens (that's another story in and of itself).
Oh, and we haven't even gotten into the taxes--or the lack of privacy, or a myriad of other things that could happen. Of course all the above may never happen---and it is probably highly unlikely it ever will---but there is always the POTENTIAL (and I don't want to be that guy--if it does happen). Remember, you are dealing with a still-Communist government. Oh, and if you were ever former US military, especially at a rank at major, Lt Commander or above---too many worms here.
Last edited by MalteseX; 05-04-2008 at 04:55 PM.
05-04-2008, 09:18 PM
#12
Proponent of Hysteria
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: "Part of the problem." : JL
Posts: 1,054
The HKG chief pilot has stated numerous times to crews awarded HKG, that you CAN live in CAN and will be covered by the "enhanced option" LOA, Tax Equalization, company sponsored visas for you and your family, etc...
Yeah, there is a bit more paperwork involved but it's officially do-able.
Yeah, there is a bit more paperwork involved but it's officially do-able.
05-04-2008, 10:35 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: HS-125
Posts: 95
I would caution anyone from trying to both live AND work in mainland China if they are not Chinese citizens. (even then not so good if they ARE chinese citizens)
In a previous life, working for our government and having to deal with and work with the Chinese government on various issues on a regular basis, I wouldn't recommend doing this until the "ice" has been broken for many years and they get used to Americans living among them.
The Chinese are a very pragmatic, and fickle, government---and they will do things very quickly when it suits them, then turn around and do something else, on what seems to us a whimzical basis---and no "court" is going to overturn the decisions of the governmental body (comprised of a few people). Business comes secondary to government. They won't care if they shut your ops down for whatever suits them at the moment.
Additionally, you have no rights. If a citizen has a beef with you ---the cops could bust into your house, take you and lock you up for a long time with no charges, no attorney, and no right to a speedy trial---and all they would have to say was that you were pro-Tibet or whatever---and our embassy is SORELY lacking in helping our citizens (that's another story in and of itself).
Oh, and we haven't even gotten into the taxes--or the lack of privacy, or a myriad of other things that could happen. Of course all the above may never happen---and it is probably highly unlikely it ever will---but there is always the POTENTIAL (and I don't want to be that guy--if it does happen). Remember, you are dealing with a still-Communist government. Oh, and if you were ever former US military, especially at a rank at major, Lt Commander or above---too many worms here.
In a previous life, working for our government and having to deal with and work with the Chinese government on various issues on a regular basis, I wouldn't recommend doing this until the "ice" has been broken for many years and they get used to Americans living among them.
The Chinese are a very pragmatic, and fickle, government---and they will do things very quickly when it suits them, then turn around and do something else, on what seems to us a whimzical basis---and no "court" is going to overturn the decisions of the governmental body (comprised of a few people). Business comes secondary to government. They won't care if they shut your ops down for whatever suits them at the moment.
Additionally, you have no rights. If a citizen has a beef with you ---the cops could bust into your house, take you and lock you up for a long time with no charges, no attorney, and no right to a speedy trial---and all they would have to say was that you were pro-Tibet or whatever---and our embassy is SORELY lacking in helping our citizens (that's another story in and of itself).
Oh, and we haven't even gotten into the taxes--or the lack of privacy, or a myriad of other things that could happen. Of course all the above may never happen---and it is probably highly unlikely it ever will---but there is always the POTENTIAL (and I don't want to be that guy--if it does happen). Remember, you are dealing with a still-Communist government. Oh, and if you were ever former US military, especially at a rank at major, Lt Commander or above---too many worms here.
05-04-2008, 10:56 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Nordskog Industries Field Technician
Posts: 688
You may want to consider the fact that the transportation issue has not been worked out. Rumor has it that HKG/CAN may turn into a purely double-DH base due to the lack of ability to transport crews from HKG to CAN. With this in mind, I would hold off on moving to CAN.
Purely rumor from normal line guys.
Purely rumor from normal line guys.
05-05-2008, 05:45 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
You may want to consider the fact that the transportation issue has not been worked out. Rumor has it that HKG/CAN may turn into a purely double-DH base due to the lack of ability to transport crews from HKG to CAN. With this in mind, I would hold off on moving to CAN.
Purely rumor from normal line guys.
Purely rumor from normal line guys.
I thought the union and the company figured out the transportation issues before the LOA vote.
If there are transportation issues the company is not telling us about, shouldn't somebody. Lets call it over-due diligence. There is a current bid open for Hong Kong.
Last edited by FDXLAG; 05-05-2008 at 05:53 AM.
05-05-2008, 07:18 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: B-777 Captain
Posts: 943
I can just see it now. A crew will be standing at the rally point in HGK waiting for their pick up. Nobody arrives. Finally crew schedule calls one of them on their cell phone. Where are you, and why haven't you checked in for your trip. Guess will just have to mark you down as a no-show. " DING "
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