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04-17-2008, 12:28 PM
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A pilot's minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced by the net number of CH by which the pilot's actual credit hour compensation for a bid period is less than his BLG/RLG as a result of activities being dropped from his awarded line with reduced pay or without pay.
Examples of reduced pay include: trips dropped and trip traded down to a lesser value.
Examples of trips dropped without pay include: pilot requested drops, phase-in conflict, transition to inactive pay status, emergency drop and disciplinary suspension.
The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a minimum of 48/60 CH before any pilot is furloughed. At least a full bid period must follow the announcement of this action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or delay a furlough.
read the contract...it's on the website
04-17-2008, 12:37 PM
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04-17-2008, 12:49 PM
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But, for the sake of argument, what am I getting from the top for my @$5000 a year? I'm sure you'll have a list, thank you in advance. Is it unreasonable to expect direction, maybe a calming voice from above when the issues are disturbing, some demonstrated acts of leadership? Maybe some insight that the unwashed masses are not privy to? How about some follow through with the promise of "elect us and you get a 4000# gorilla on your side". Anyone else remember that comment. Communications alway's seem to be reactionary.
I truely am sorry to have upset your evening with my obvious inabilities, but thank you for your kindness and concern.
sincerely
"jagoff"
(ok CMA.... go ahead, I know you're dieing to)
04-17-2008, 12:52 PM
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I'm just going to keep hanging out, reading my contract.. and see where it all goes!
04-17-2008, 01:18 PM
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I personally don't think the company wishes to furlough because of concerns about being ready manning wise if things improve rapidly and because of concerns about the high sick time/vacation usage rates among our elder statespeople. That said, I do believe you are correct that if they wanted to furlough or even set up a credible threat of one, they would probably need to excess the system so they have the highest number of junior people possible in the correct seats so that it wouldn't be too disruptive to them.
Along those lines, why does everyone think that lowering the BLG to 48/60 means 30% more lines? The way I read it, it's just a minimum BLG and the company could write lines to any amount above 48/60 they wished to. It would just mean that lines that are currently being bought up to 68/85 would no longer be and that the RLG would take it in the shorts. Taken to an extreme, couldn't the company rapidly park a huge portion of the 727 fleet due to gas prices and use this section to drastically lower crew costs as they move the affected pilots to other aircraft?('prevent or delay a furlough')
Again, I don't think the company wishes to or intends to furlough at this point in time, so to a degree this is academic. However, I think it's important for us all to understand how our contract works in these situations so that we can best handle what is going on now and make adjustments going forward. For example, it seems to me that the 48/60 BLG clause needs to be amended to include a 5 or a 10 hour cap so that it would actually force the company to create those extra lines we seem to be assuming that they would in such a situation.
Along those lines, why does everyone think that lowering the BLG to 48/60 means 30% more lines? The way I read it, it's just a minimum BLG and the company could write lines to any amount above 48/60 they wished to. It would just mean that lines that are currently being bought up to 68/85 would no longer be and that the RLG would take it in the shorts. Taken to an extreme, couldn't the company rapidly park a huge portion of the 727 fleet due to gas prices and use this section to drastically lower crew costs as they move the affected pilots to other aircraft?('prevent or delay a furlough')
Again, I don't think the company wishes to or intends to furlough at this point in time, so to a degree this is academic. However, I think it's important for us all to understand how our contract works in these situations so that we can best handle what is going on now and make adjustments going forward. For example, it seems to me that the 48/60 BLG clause needs to be amended to include a 5 or a 10 hour cap so that it would actually force the company to create those extra lines we seem to be assuming that they would in such a situation.
Isn't there already a cap? I thought the difference between lowest paying line and highest was spelled out in the contract, but I can't find it now. Seemed like 12. If min was 48 high would be 60. Can the company just reduce BLG in one seat, like 727 SO 48 and MD-11 72 hours?
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04-17-2008, 01:42 PM
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If the company wanted to furlough purple nuggets they would have to get rid of 240 more junior folks first.
We wouldn't have enough bodies to lower the BLG that is required prior to furlough. Especially with the excess in the 727.
So I don't think your scenario is plausible.
We wouldn't have enough bodies to lower the BLG that is required prior to furlough. Especially with the excess in the 727.
So I don't think your scenario is plausible.
04-17-2008, 01:45 PM
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Isn't there already a cap? I thought the difference between lowest paying line and highest was spelled out in the contract, but I can't find it now. Seemed like 12. If min was 48 high would be 60. Can the company just reduce BLG in one seat, like 727 SO 48 and MD-11 72 hours?
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