CRJAV8OR

Just curious how many of the 27 ordered are scheduled for '09 delivery? Will these deliveries most likely be staffed by current pilots at UPS or will these deliveries prompt hiring? What is the staffing model per airframe approximately (I know this is a tough one to nail down)? I am floating in the pool and have pretty much written off '08 but hoping '09 might be my lucky year.

Roberto

Three in '09, one early, one mid, and one late in the year, from what I hear. Have not seen a published delivery schedule yet. Have heard that the vacancies for the 767 will be slow in coming as international lines are reduced and domestic lines are increased, resulting in a decreased staffing multiplier. Could be no 767 vacancies until late in '09. The six 767's coming in 2010 should prompt some decent vacancies.

Sometime in the first half of June, another Realignment Vacancy Bid will come out, with more ANC 747-400 vacancies (I'm guessing about the same as last bid, 20 CPT and 30 FO), and will be immediately followed by the final 747-Classic Displacement Bid. There are 22 CPT, 30 FO, and 20 FE (5 of whom can upgrade) remaining to be displaced from the Classic. The contract allows for a displacee to remain in his position up to 3 months beyond the effective date of the bid, and longer with his written permission. The effective date of the bid will be either 5 October or 2 November. This seems consistent with the timetable for retiring the last three Classic airframes after Christmas.

Almost all of the Captain vacancies, and all of the lower-48 vacancies, if any, will be taken by senior over-60 guys. Only a half-dozen or so ANC FO vacancies will be taken by over-60 guys who didn't get one this last bid. There will be a lot (maybe 45 or so) ANC FO vacancies (original and recurring) that will go junior, probably by displacement.

aseweepay

On this last displacement I (and some of my fellow displacees) was displaced to the 747 ANC, then on the 31st we got a call that we had been displaced again into the DC-8 FE seat. Training won't be for another 5 months and with the next displacement coming I was told (not by the company but anothers opinion) that we will probably be displaced again before training is up on the 8. It will be interesting to see how this "ride" turns out.

aseweepay

Guess my last post could have gone into the displacement thread instead of this one...my point was that in talking with the union and company about what went went on with the last displacement and changes even after the "official word", there is a lot of unknows and constant changes and no one has a good handle on what is going on (if they do, they have kept that info from everyone else at this point). I hope you and everyone else in the pool is here soon.

Roberto

Assuming you are one of the 5 from the 4/23/07 hire class, you will be off probation next bid. I can not imagine any displacements from the DC8 FE position, but you will be able to bid for a vacancy, and could possibly get an ANC FO. With all the 747-Classic displacements in the next bid (57 to pilot seats), even ANC FO may be hard to get (and keep after the displacement) for the most junior. It is difficult to predict with any confidence what will happen at the bottom.

Good luck.

brownie

There is no staffing model. Our own ipa brothers and sisters are making sure of that since all excess flying is picked up and ja'ed there would be no need for hiring. Ups will staff airplanes on base of needs and with 200 managment pilots and hard working line pilots, staffing will be to bare minimums.

LifeNtheFstLne

I had all my materials submitted in the last application window (I believe that was early last Summer or so) and just now went on to update the important stuff (757/767 type). Will anyone in HR actually see that the changes have been made, once they drain the pool and look at apps again?

Lastly, I had heard it wasn't supposed to be possible to updates ones info. How come I could?

navigatro

Roberto,

Why do you think that there will be no displacements from the DC8 FE?
How is the staffing on the 8 panel? I heard many of the Classic FE's
(still remaining) are over 64, so won't they have to go to the 8 panel (or retire) when the Classic goes away at the end of the year? Thanks for the help. I am just trying to predict the future! (Should I buy cross country skis, or a lawn mower???)

Roberto

There are still about 60 DC8 FE's eligible to upgrade. Only 5 of these had a bid in for ANC and didn't get it. If UPS puts out some lower-48 front-seat vacancies, the rest of us will take those and be gone from the back seat. A few of those remaining are very picky, and passed up SDF MD11 FO this time. Also, some of the really old <g> (too old to upgrade) FE's will retire, and some of those coming from the 747 will retire prior to DC8 training. I think it will take about a year and a half to flush out the over-60's left in the back seat who are eligible to upgrade. I think this because I don't hear anything about vacancies other than ANC until the 767's start coming in quantity. There might be a few before then, and I hope I'm wrong about that pessimistic outlook.

Eventually, the DC8 will displace, but not FE's, and I bet some new hires come in to the FE position before it is all over. When UPS does start reducing the DC8, it will probably be the front seaters. Obviously, this is just an educated guess, based on what we know now. The summer Displacement Bid will probably see some more FO's displaced to the back seat, as there are a lot of 747 displacements (57) going to front seats. However, the fall bid should enable some of those junior FE's to be awarded ANC FO's, unless they start displacing DC8 front seaters. I haven't heard any rumor of that, but there is no way of predicting. If they don't start displacing from the DC8 until after some new 767's are up and running, that will be a big help. I think UPS isn't into discussing long-range crewing predictions as there are too many variables at the moment.

UPS will not make any predictions about crewing to me, other than to indicate 747-400 vacancies for the rest of the year. A summer bid and another bid later in the year to staff for the rest of this year's 747 deliveries and the first of next years. They haven't told me numbers, and I am basing my guess on what they have done thus far.

Nashmd11

I believe it is 3 767 deliveries in 2009. All late in the year. Sept. or Oct. for the First one. Boeing may want to move this forward, we'll see.

I also predict no hiring, unless we buy somebody, until 2010 at the earliest.