No furloughs at UPS as a result of displacement?
03-20-2008, 08:32 AM
#41
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: -400 CAPT
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FC,
I think you are wrong. The furlough announcement last time did alot to galvanize the IPA. You clearly must have observed that. What is different? Don't give me the contract argument, we are all long on history. When the chips are down, the IPA (which is simply you and me and 2995 of our closest friends) responds. Think of the signing bonus collected for the deceased IPA pilots we collected to pay their families, think of the MIA F/O with cancer that folks chipped in to assist. Leather jackets spontaniously purchased for new hires.
We always have those feeding at the trough. That is likely to continue to eternity, except as demonstrated during the furlough announcement. I prefer the "it benefits me" line as a few tell me. It is honest, the "I've got two exwives and three vacations homes" just makes one look silly. I have no problem with some folks picking up OT who have legitimate family medical/sick leave/FMLA issues which are valid. There are valid issues.
Dog Breath, your avatar drives me nuts <bg> I squashed at the lousy thing the first time.
I think you are wrong. The furlough announcement last time did alot to galvanize the IPA. You clearly must have observed that. What is different? Don't give me the contract argument, we are all long on history. When the chips are down, the IPA (which is simply you and me and 2995 of our closest friends) responds. Think of the signing bonus collected for the deceased IPA pilots we collected to pay their families, think of the MIA F/O with cancer that folks chipped in to assist. Leather jackets spontaniously purchased for new hires.
We always have those feeding at the trough. That is likely to continue to eternity, except as demonstrated during the furlough announcement. I prefer the "it benefits me" line as a few tell me. It is honest, the "I've got two exwives and three vacations homes" just makes one look silly. I have no problem with some folks picking up OT who have legitimate family medical/sick leave/FMLA issues which are valid. There are valid issues.
Dog Breath, your avatar drives me nuts <bg> I squashed at the lousy thing the first time.
Just look at the building vote, where the majority of us decided to not even vote. Yes, we talk a good game but in the end we're too lazy to vote on a non-contract issue!
Like I said, right now we're Fat, Dumb, and Happy
I have the emphasis myself on the Fat. Too much good food in Anchorage!BTW, it took me a while to finally squash Dog Breath's delirious ant
03-20-2008, 11:11 AM
#42
Gets all holidays off
Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: Retired UPS 767 Captain, SDF Z
Posts: 431
DeJa Vous 1993
Didn't really get a warm-fuzzy from the IPNN update stating that there would be no furloughs as a result of the displacement bid. Basically just said that no crewmembers had received a 90 day furlough notice. Was that hadn't received a furlough notice yet??? Would have rather seen a statement that said the displaced crews would be needed in other fleets... Or mayber I'm just reading too far into this.
Not to worry all...the FIRST displacement bid UPS posted closed the first week of October 1993. I was a senior engineer on the 727 and had quit bidding reserve (usually a great deal for those that live in domicile) because I was working extra sections for volume blow-outs every day, and they were getting up the list to call for JAs on my days off too.
The Union was publicly talking about short staffing issues, and the need to start hiring and ginning up the training center again.
Nope, UPS announced we were overstaffed (they said they could furlough 30 pilots ASAP), and realigned staffing with a vacancy/displacement bid?!? About 6 or 7 FEs were listed as EXCESS, but the "F" word was never mentioned....
When the displacement bid closed, the company failed to follow the contract rules, not rippling down by seniority, and then reposted the results correctly containing dozens, or a hundred + training events. Training started in late December, and went full force in January 1994, when UPS decided to post a large vacancy bid and also started hiring at a rapid pace. We hired over 350 in 1994 (we only had 1150 pilots on the list to start with). In February, the company took everyone out of training, stuck them back in their old seats. The IPA negotiated a deal where the company would reimburse crew members for food and lodging while stuck in the bogus training events...
Except for the age 65 wrinkle, I suspect we are again stuck in the same cycle; the company bean counters being too aggressive with their staffing ratios, the lines being jammed to 82+ hours, etc. Soon we'll announce our interest in the a380 again, buy some 777F's and a bunch more 747-400 conversions. All the 60+ guys will get off the panel, ANC will have a cadre of experience it wouldn't otherwise have, and for all this several dozen lives will be uprooted with long term training, multiple domicile moves (package 1 = $$$$), and a bunch of folks with no time in a new jet just itching to get back to where they were originally.
I'm sure UPS is saving at least three bucks after this all washes out!
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