UPS Realignment Bid Results are out
03-12-2008, 09:38 AM
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Tiger...
Not sure what your concern is...if they already have an fo seat and are not displaced, they can only bid for original and recurring vacancies, all of which will probably still be in anc. The pilots displaced (probably just cpt and fo) will have displacement rights to go where they want but the backseaters will probably not be displaced (if this past bid was any indication). So far the company has acted to limit the daisy chain training from a full displacement and give the backseaters only anc to bid. That is far better for the pilot group as a whole (keeping your position) than displacing the engineers. Don't you agree?
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Not sure what your concern is...if they already have an fo seat and are not displaced, they can only bid for original and recurring vacancies, all of which will probably still be in anc. The pilots displaced (probably just cpt and fo) will have displacement rights to go where they want but the backseaters will probably not be displaced (if this past bid was any indication). So far the company has acted to limit the daisy chain training from a full displacement and give the backseaters only anc to bid. That is far better for the pilot group as a whole (keeping your position) than displacing the engineers. Don't you agree?
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I don't disagree one bit and am not concerned about it. Didn't mean to sound that way. I am referencing guys that just bid the ANC FO spots. Since they do not have a seat lock can't they displace a CA in any seat their seniority will hold? Maybe I am just too confused on this whole thing and should just get back to studying
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03-12-2008, 09:51 AM
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Tiger...
They are not seat locked as fo's...but in order for them to get a left seat, there would have to be an original or recurring vacancy. They cannot just bid and be awarded any seat they desire. There are senior fo's and other capts that are trying to either get a left seat or move domiciles that their seniority could hold, but they can't get there without a vacancy. As long as the vacancies are only in anc, backseaters (over sixty guys) who are not displaced can only bid anc. I think that is good for those of us trying to hold onto our seats back in sdf.
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Pilot7576
They are not seat locked as fo's...but in order for them to get a left seat, there would have to be an original or recurring vacancy. They cannot just bid and be awarded any seat they desire. There are senior fo's and other capts that are trying to either get a left seat or move domiciles that their seniority could hold, but they can't get there without a vacancy. As long as the vacancies are only in anc, backseaters (over sixty guys) who are not displaced can only bid anc. I think that is good for those of us trying to hold onto our seats back in sdf.
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03-12-2008, 09:55 AM
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The new -400 FOs are seat-locked for two years for transitioning to another FO seat. They can upgrade to Capt at anytime when there is a vacancy (original or recurring), but they cannot arbitrarily displace a Capt from their seat.
03-12-2008, 10:23 AM
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The new ANC FO's will all be bidding for captain, so except for a couple senior people elsewhere, those 20 ANC captains will mostly come from upgrading ANC FO's.
There are not too many over-60 guys left who did not have the opportunity to go to ANC FO this time, so I don't expect but a few of those to jump on an ANC FO spot in the next bid. That will open up those seats to others.
I didn't take ANC FO this time, so I won't need Freightpups cookie recipe. I'm expecting it will be 12-18 months before a bid comes out where I can hold a lower-48 FO, bidding in the low 900's. That's more than enough time for Freightpup to make some more pups <g>.
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03-12-2008, 12:20 PM
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03-12-2008, 01:26 PM
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You may see a few youngens go back to the panel, but I would say very few. The 8 is set to lose about 20 lines of flying this year alone. I would say that from what I have heard, the 8 will be relagated to a system spare over the next few years before they are taken out and shot.
One thing to note is that in the 08-03 DC8 Schedule Bid book, there were 49 FE reserve lines and 47 CPT reserve lines. I don't know how many are needed, but the FE position is not out of line with the others.
Fifty (50) of those upgrading in the system bid are DC8 FE's. I think the remaining displacements total 42, 35 CPT and 7 FO.
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03-12-2008, 01:50 PM
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I have heard about the same.
One thing to note is that in the 08-03 DC8 Schedule Bid book, there were 49 FE reserve lines and 47 CPT reserve lines. I don't know how many are needed, but the FE position is not out of line with the others.
Fifty (50) of those upgrading in the system bid are DC8 FE's. I think the remaining displacements total 42, 35 CPT and 7 FO.
One thing to note is that in the 08-03 DC8 Schedule Bid book, there were 49 FE reserve lines and 47 CPT reserve lines. I don't know how many are needed, but the FE position is not out of line with the others.
Fifty (50) of those upgrading in the system bid are DC8 FE's. I think the remaining displacements total 42, 35 CPT and 7 FO.
03-12-2008, 01:52 PM
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03-12-2008, 01:55 PM
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