Extra flying and accountability
02-23-2008, 05:40 PM
#1
Line Holder
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: Social Conservative
Posts: 56
Extra flying and accountability
NOTE: This thread is on union and company accountability. Do NOT discuss the type of flying or anything specific that would violate any security issues, or the FDX monitor will shut down this thread.
As everyone is aware, there is a lot of extra flying now being done by select pilots (mostly management and flight standards). In fact, there is so much extra flying that a flight standards pilot told me they are canceling vacations for March and April in order to man the flights.
Now given the union statements and the companies that the BLG/RLG is going down and that there may be some "adjustments" to allow for the reduced flying, I see a conflict here--one side is making money hand over foot and getting paid extra for vacation cancellations, but the other side is earning less.
So the question in this thread is addressing the accountability. Inasmuch as I disagree with the assignment process (I think line pilots should get the trip and then be bumped by the "select" pilots), the union has indicated that the process is legal per the contract.
The contract says:
OK. It's obvious that the company does not identify the line pilot (nor makes any attempt) and so payment goes to the Association.
Why are we not getting an accounting of these payments? I get no response from my union rep. It is much like the wet lease payments that we never see anymore--they go to the union with no reporting and no accountability.
With the planned reduction in flying, why isn't this money being used to offset the reduction? Where does it go in the Association and why isn't it being reported. There are no sensitive issues here--just say the company paid the Association for Quarter xxx for management flying. Why isn't this being done.
I'd welcome your insights into this if you understand how the system works.
Thanks.
As everyone is aware, there is a lot of extra flying now being done by select pilots (mostly management and flight standards). In fact, there is so much extra flying that a flight standards pilot told me they are canceling vacations for March and April in order to man the flights.
Now given the union statements and the companies that the BLG/RLG is going down and that there may be some "adjustments" to allow for the reduced flying, I see a conflict here--one side is making money hand over foot and getting paid extra for vacation cancellations, but the other side is earning less.
So the question in this thread is addressing the accountability. Inasmuch as I disagree with the assignment process (I think line pilots should get the trip and then be bumped by the "select" pilots), the union has indicated that the process is legal per the contract.
The contract says:
If a management pilot flies a trip, or portion thereof, covered by this Agreement and it is not possible to identify the line pilot
who would have been bumped and otherwise would be entitled to compensation as described in Section 9.A.2. (above), the scheduled credit hours for such trip, or portion thereof, either shall be paid to the Association...
who would have been bumped and otherwise would be entitled to compensation as described in Section 9.A.2. (above), the scheduled credit hours for such trip, or portion thereof, either shall be paid to the Association...
Why are we not getting an accounting of these payments? I get no response from my union rep. It is much like the wet lease payments that we never see anymore--they go to the union with no reporting and no accountability.
With the planned reduction in flying, why isn't this money being used to offset the reduction? Where does it go in the Association and why isn't it being reported. There are no sensitive issues here--just say the company paid the Association for Quarter xxx for management flying. Why isn't this being done.
I'd welcome your insights into this if you understand how the system works.
Thanks.
02-23-2008, 06:17 PM
#2
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 57
Good luck dude. Another good deal that the union does not want to disturb. God forbid that us lowly peons fly into xxxx or xxxx even though me and any two AF heavy drivers at FDX were in those airports before our navy flying, no ndb flying, never been to Africa or the Middle East management pilots even knew those airports existed.
02-23-2008, 08:29 PM
#4
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
I got ALPA training in DC this week...but I'll ask about it when I'm a block rep. I don't think there is a conspiracy, but I'll check the facts. I won't publish what I find here, but I will include that type info in updates.
Until then...query your reps. And keep calling/writing if you don't get an answer...
C'mon...we fly rubber dog$hit. This ain't an X files episode...
Until then...query your reps. And keep calling/writing if you don't get an answer...
C'mon...we fly rubber dog$hit. This ain't an X files episode...
02-23-2008, 09:26 PM
#5
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 68
With all due respect, if they won't answer, why continue? What kind of mind set thinks not responding is OK, and that we can expect something will happen if we continue?
I think ALPA training is in order on how to respond.
And along the lines of this post, we bid for vacations, seats, domicles, trips and equipment, but how come no postings or request for applications for flight test?
This is not meant to be offensive, I just think the membership is due more respect that this, am I wrong?
I think ALPA training is in order on how to respond.
And along the lines of this post, we bid for vacations, seats, domicles, trips and equipment, but how come no postings or request for applications for flight test?
This is not meant to be offensive, I just think the membership is due more respect that this, am I wrong?
02-23-2008, 10:20 PM
#7
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
Well...I take office in March. I'll have a real ALPA email then, and a phone. And you can ask me then..
Right now I'm just another APC poster without the real skinny.
Anyone who knows me knows I'll shoot straight with you--I just don't have any SA on this issue. FYI...already got one personal email about it. I'll look into it...next month. Off to DC right now...
Right now I'm just another APC poster without the real skinny.
Anyone who knows me knows I'll shoot straight with you--I just don't have any SA on this issue. FYI...already got one personal email about it. I'll look into it...next month. Off to DC right now...
02-24-2008, 08:32 AM
#9
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: FedEx
Posts: 666
With all due respect, if they won't answer, why continue? What kind of mind set thinks not responding is OK, and that we can expect something will happen if we continue?
I think ALPA training is in order on how to respond.
And along the lines of this post, we bid for vacations, seats, domicles, trips and equipment, but how come no postings or request for applications for flight test?
This is not meant to be offensive, I just think the membership is due more respect that this, am I wrong?
I think ALPA training is in order on how to respond.
And along the lines of this post, we bid for vacations, seats, domicles, trips and equipment, but how come no postings or request for applications for flight test?
This is not meant to be offensive, I just think the membership is due more respect that this, am I wrong?
I've seen postings for flight test, they are just very infrequent because there hasn't been any hiring in there for quite a while.
FJ
Last edited by Falconjet; 02-24-2008 at 09:00 AM.
