To Stay or Go

I know I decreed that I would post no more, but that video by J. Barnes has me wanting to pull my hair out for staying here. What a crock of sheet. If Priority 3's are charged with aiding the captain for security and safety purposes how is that not being a crewmember and thus accruing time towards 30/7?

What kind of company would go to the links that UPS has just to make life suck for their employees? Buy a GD ticket for your crewmembers to get to Europe. I recently saw the "accomodations" of our 767s and it is pathetic that UPS would expect a pilot to deadhead on that airplane. It truly exposes the lack of human respect our company has.

I hope and pray this makes the rest of our pilot group as angry as I am. We should wait this thing out and not cave in. The NMB will eventually run out of excuses and be forced to release us. If we are going to be treated like sheet we better get paid for it!!

UPSDISPATCHER

What kind of idiot would say something like that on camera?????????

So let me get this straight - bumping priority 3 jumpseaters has the potential of diminishing the level of cockpit safety, and the captain's explanation must be compelling, and is only valid if an emergency situation exists, or by the presence of these crew members is not in the best interest of aviation safety? Well, since he goes to say that UPS is committed to maintaining the highest level of safety, security, and regulatory compliance, this rational would lead me to believe all flights without them are less safe and should not leave without an additional crewmember to enhance the level of "safety" to the highest which we are committed to!

This guy is so stunningly full of bull**** I am in awe. Again, the perfect "ready, fire, aim" approach management chooses to take at UPS. Attempting to coerce professionals by enforcing "safety" is pretty ignorant considering the HUGE potential on how this could backfire. Their level arrogance has again equaled their level of ignorance.

Let's all look forward to a "safe" 2006!

EIGHTMENOUT1

You can scream and yell all you want, but the die has been cast. You will have a week or so to digest this and so all the crewmembers are aware of the Must Read Bulletin. After that, pity the poor guy or gal who violates the Must Read Bulletin. It will go directly to the FAA and I do not believe any pilot wants to deal with that thorny bush. First there is the issue of violating an FAR, then there may be TSA involvement. On top of all that, the pilot could be charged with "impeding air commerce" (a criminal act).

Sasquatch

I'm so glad I chose FedEx over UPS and that others continue to do the same. You managers posting on this public forum should be ashamed of yourselves. Don't you have an operation to run?

EIGHTMENOUT1

Simply said, a captain should take a jumpseater, if he is otherwise qualified for the flight (certificate and good behavior). We had a captain in San Juan who bumped two Priority 3's and took two offline jumpseaters (Priority 8 American Airlines). That makes no sense at all.

heavyjetpilot

Eightmenout1, just so you know a fellow IPA crewmember is the one who takes care of this open forum so if you don't want the cat let out of the bag as to who you are and especially your position let's try to make peace with one another verses you against us. I certainly do not believe the UPS prayer book endorses open harrassment. Anytime you want to continue with our game of UPS trivia I am always ready. Cheers

EIGHTMENOUT1

My intention is not to harrass. It is to inform you of the plain truth. Believe it or not, I am more on your side that mine. I am mostly passing on what many people in management feel. I do not feel that way in most cases. I am only telling you of the resolve that I hear. Take it for what it is worth.

EIGHTMENOUT1

The last post should have gone to heavyjet pilot

heavyjetpilot

Whether it's your intention or not you truly are. Times are extremely sensitive right now and anytime someone posts comments on here to stir the pot then that's harassing. Why not make a difference in life and push to have the tensions between us resolved. Encourage our employeer to come back and bargin in good faith as promised 39 months ago. UPS can afford what we are asking for. I guess the new bonus program offered to upper management is okay for those folks but the everyday employee will have to wait to get a simple raise. Typical corporate mentality.
Keep it civil from now on or the cat will be released.

Freightpuppy

Exactly!!!!